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Arena-pvp in hisec?
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Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#61 - 2013-01-22 01:53:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Rordan D'Kherr
FourierTransformer wrote:
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
So you can have it in lowsec, but want it in hisec. But why?

Your question makes no sense.

I could just as easily say:
So you can have it in nullsec, but want it in lowsec. But why?

Or better still:
So you can have it in wormhole space, but want it in nullsec. But why?


The answer is really easy:

Lowsec - no concord
Nullsec - no concord
WH-space - no concord

Why do you want it in hisec so desperately? Looking at this I find it even more alienating to the game to have "no concord" in hisec. I could understand if it would be a kind of mini-wardec (with same mechanic), but this casual-pvp in a safe environment is really... not so Eve.

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FourierTransformer
#62 - 2013-01-22 02:22:34 UTC  |  Edited by: FourierTransformer
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
FourierTransformer wrote:
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
So you can have it in lowsec, but want it in hisec. But why?

Your question makes no sense.

I could just as easily say:
So you can have it in nullsec, but want it in lowsec. But why?

Or better still:
So you can have it in wormhole space, but want it in nullsec. But why?


The answer is really easy:

Lowsec - no concord
Nullsec - no concord
WH-space - no concord

Why do you want it in hisec so desperately? Looking at this I find it even more alienating to the game to have "no concord" in hisec. I could understand if it would be a kind of mini-wardec (with same mechanic), but this casual-pvp in a safe environment is really... not so Eve.


That's false.

If I was so inclined I could make a safe in jita or any other system, drop a can, have someone loot the can, get suspect flag, shoot suspect, no concord. So:

Hisec (between 2 consenting parties) - no concord
Lowsec - no concord
Nullsec - no concord
WH-space - no concord

And if one party was ~dishonorable~ they could bring in neutral reps or what have you. No ones changing that.

The only thing that CCP is doing is making an existing feature transparent. The only real difference between the proposed changes, the current system, and the can flip system that was around for a decade is transparency. And transparency is universally a good thing. No one likes obfuscated mechanics.



Why do you want it in losec so desperately? Dueling has existed in hisec for a decade, no one complained.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#63 - 2013-01-22 04:08:33 UTC
Honour duels are stupid.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2013-01-22 06:14:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
Warp Planet6 wrote:
Now I am asking you, a part of the community who actually uses the forums, about your opinion on this. Are duels, arenas etc. as a game mechanic to do "consensual pvp" a good thing in this unique sandbox MMO called EVE Online?

They were in EvE since 2005 or 2006 AFAIK and got removed in the Retribution expansion.
CCP is merely putting back what they removed, this time providing proper interface instead of jetcan tossing.

This is for everyday "consensual PvP". For "arenas", they were in the game for quite some time too, Alliance tournaments are that way -->

Nothing to discuss here.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#65 - 2013-01-22 06:24:57 UTC
The honor duel mechanic bringing back the ability to pick a fight we had before is fine... but that's probably as far as it should go.

If you really want an arena, the open tournaments (that are going to become much more frequent) should be your goal... with the added perk of having a streaming audience and prizes.

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Colonel Xaven
Perkone
Caldari State
#66 - 2013-01-22 07:00:39 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Honour duels are stupid.


At least a hello kitty mechanic behind it is.

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TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2013-01-22 12:12:05 UTC
If you want "arena's" in EVE then go find a place and set it up.

That's the beauty of eve, all the tools to do these things are there and in lace already. You just need to make it so.

Hell, go talk to CVA and I'm sure they'd let you do it in their space, that way, no one takes a sec hit.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#68 - 2013-01-23 14:21:38 UTC
It seems CCP is going with the most simple and sensible option.

http://eve-ru.com/upload/userpics/january2013/duel_dialog_1.png
Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#69 - 2013-01-23 17:33:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Karrl Tian
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
It seems CCP is going with the most simple and sensible option.

http://eve-ru.com/upload/userpics/january2013/duel_dialog_1.png


Should read, "Accept this challenge and we will dock/redock over and over with neutral logi alts while the ninjas cluster around us like vultures."