Wormholes

Ok, first off. alt posting is bad mmk? If you have an opinion, grow some balls and post it on your main.
So many missed points in this thread it makes my head hurt...

Bottom line is that the moros IS way out of line with the other dreads and that all turret dreads hit sub BSs way too well for what they are. You can argue it however you like but it's a fact that anyone who has ever shot at subs in a dread knows.
Is this actually an issue though? personally i think dreads vs. BSs is fine as is, maybe slightly over powered, but dreads vs. cruisers is currently fairly significantly over powered.

For all of you claiming it's easy to counter tracking dreads, go try it one day.
Also, no one cares about ganking a site running fleet which my grandmother could do in her nightgown, even considering she'd need to take a nap half way through.

That said, before any changes are made regarding how dreads hit subcaps, all the dreads need to be balanced to each other, which they currently are not.

For the record, comparing the moros to the archon is silly since each carrier actually does something different whereas the role of all dreads is exactly the same: do as much DPS as you can while surviving 5 minutes.

did i say it was?

Ok ok guys, let's keep this constructive!

I compared all the sized lazorz and hybrids and all the hybrids have the better tracking over the lazorz. Dafug are we going to do about this? Buff the cap on the Rev and change the 10 percent cap bonus to a 5 percent damage bonus?

Also, when searching google about this issue I found this.

Lorentzian wormholes known as Schwarzschild wormholes or Einstein–Rosen bridges are connections between areas of space that can be modeled as vacuum solutions to the Einstein field equations, and which are now understood to be intrinsic parts of the maximally extended version of the Schwarzschild metric describing an eternal black hole with no charge and no rotation. Here, "maximally extended" refers to the idea that the spacetime should not have any "edges": for any possible trajectory of a free-falling particle (following a geodesic) in the spacetime, it should be possible to continue this path arbitrarily far into the particle's future or past, unless the trajectory hits a gravitational singularity like the one at the center of the black hole's interior. In order to satisfy this requirement, it turns out that in addition to the black hole interior region which particles enter when they fall through the event horizon from the outside, there must be a separate white hole interior region which allows us to extrapolate the trajectories of particles which an outside observer sees rising up away from the event horizon. And just as there are two separate interior regions of the maximally extended spacetime, there are also two separate exterior regions, sometimes called two different "universes", with the second universe allowing us to extrapolate some possible particle trajectories in the two interior regions. This means that the interior black hole region can contain a mix of particles that fell in from either universe (and thus an observer who fell in from one universe might be able to see light that fell in from the other one), and likewise particles from the interior white hole region can escape into either universe. All four regions can be seen in a spacetime diagram which uses Kruskal–Szekeres coordinates.

And these, which is even more interesting...

A railgun requires a pulsed, direct current power supply. For potential military applications, railguns are usually of interest because they can achieve much greater muzzle velocities than guns powered by conventional chemical propellants. Increased muzzle velocities can convey the benefits of increased firing ranges while, in terms of target effects, increased terminal velocities can allow the use of kinetic energy rounds as replacements for explosive shells.

Thus typical military railgun designs aim for muzzle velocities in the range of 2000 - 3500 m/s with muzzle energies of 5 - 50 MJ. For single loop railguns, these mission requirements require launch currents of a few million amperes, so a typical railgun power supply might be designed to deliver a launch current of 5 MA for a few milliseconds. As the magnetic field strengths required for such launches will typically be approximately 10 T, most contemporary railgun designs are effectively "air-cored", i.e. they do not use ferromagnetic materials such as iron to enhance the magnetic flux.

AMIRIGHT??!?!

shield curses while great on principle will probably die horribly to a support legions work better but your still looking at needing twice the number of legions (or curses) to do what a bhaal would do, so 6 to 10 probably.

The damps again sound in theory but with most fights being on the wh range wont be a issue, and again arazu's are very squishy

In a site they might work a bit better where stuff might be spread out more but then you they are at risk from sleepers

This is still going around?

Really?

Plenty of counters have been listed in this thread, just because it doesn't result in you instantly killing the dread doesn't mean it's not effective.

Bottom line is things are fine. Don't go nerfing something that doesn't need it, just because a very few people want to whine about it.

You are right here, however the problem is that the dreads tend to kill the counters rather fast. So unless the other guys FC is just running off with the sleeperloot and not calling targets, you will end up with your counters dying faster than the dreads, and every jamgu that dies makes it hurt even more on your site.

And so you can just bring so much blob that you outblob the enemy support fleet so hard that they cant help their dreads long enough, to kill of your blob fast enough.

[ 2012.11.05 00:22:00 ] (combat) Mageddo (Limited Mega Ion Siege Blaster I) hits you for 23574 damage
[ 2012.11.05 00:22:01 ] (notify) Ship out of control.

gg

Also, doesn't anyone rooting against a moros nerf realize that ecm is all chance based, webs and tp's aren't? No? Didn't think so.

It seems the main problem isn't really the moros dps but the fact that it's so easy to stop someone with one loki and then just pop it.(Or it isn't as easy but there is no counter to that what is effective)

So why don't make/change a module for e.g. Overdrive Injector to a module that counters webs for a percentage (like Cap batteries do it with neut/nos) and with that module and with the stacking penalty it would be much easier to survive for a cruiser while it's being webbed.

My point with that would be that there is a direct counter for ECM, dampener(for a degree), neut but not for paint/web currently.

WTB: C5/C6 pulsar

confirming TDs stop webs and are really useful against sieged dreads...