Intergalactic Summit

It is amongst those of us who follow the dream.

Niraia just doesn't belong.

*Alizabeth has uploaded a short video of her in front of a holoprojector. It's displaying the cluster star map. She points to Stain. "Blow this up."*

Yes, Nation is wormhole technology. However, GIA believes that a generator would have to be planet or moon based due to it's size. The most logical location for these generators would be in Stain. If we were able to acquire one of them, that would be a huge advantage in eliminating the remaining-scattered-Nation forces. That the possibility exists for an incomplete victory should not stop us from trying. Besides, the elimination of the infrastructure in Stain will, at the very least, severely cripple Nation efforts.



You're a worthless pubbie and I wouldn't want to 'hang with' you. Don't worry.



While we could certainly invade and destroy Stain while protecting home assets, it would take quite a bit more time. And yes, I am aware that many of our demands in this initial bargaining position will not be met.



As for the insurance, our pilots are going to be deployed, pulling long hours. While the CFC is very good and keeping op tempo at a sustainable pace, we do not want to see our pilots have to jump back home to make ISK to purchase more ships. Make no mistake, this campaign will be bloody. Kuvakei is not going to roll over and die. He's going to fight tooth and nail, even more than before. Those capital and supercapitals that I mentioned: If more than a third are able to fly back home from our invasion under their own power, I will be astounded. Also, the battle plan requires them. Cracking a planet is no simple task. It's going to take a lot of capital level firepower to do. While some may think the demand for these ships unrealistic, I think that demonstrated a lack of in depth analysis of what this invasion will require.




I want to make one thing crystal clear. I despise Nation. I hate everything it stands for, every idea that Kuvakei has come up with during whatever drug fueled visions he has. When I die, I can think of no better eulogy than that I helped to eliminate Nation.

(Did you know there were limitations to the interface, preventing more than five quotes? I did not and I don't like it)
"The CFC have never needed any incentive other than "it's there" to destroy something they didn't like before. Why has this suddenly changed?" -Andreus Ixiriis

Wars of conquest involve spoils. Whether we get Tech. moons, lebensraum, or something else, there is a tangible benefit to us. We're not conquering Stain; we're destroying it. Completely. There may be a point where GSF Illum conclude that Nation poses a threat to us, but I assure you, it will be long after the empires are no more.

I'm noticing a lack of 'can-do' attitude, here. One of the first lessons they taught me at the Officer's Infantry Course was that something productive done immediately is better than wasting time and figuring the best course of action later. The cluster is in a war with Nation. Sadly, most of them seem to be unaware of this fact. I do not have all the answers, GIA attempts to infiltrate Nation proper have failed spectacularly, much like a Jin-Mei fireworks factory exploding. I do know this, the elimination of Stain is doable now and it will cripple Nation, possibly to the point where future actions are simply mop ups.



I'm sorry you think that. When you are ready for a crash course in public affairs, let me know. I'll work something out that will not be too expensive for you.



That is not what our analysis of Nation deployments yield. If you have different figures, post them. Our intelligence office believes (P>.937) that wormhole technology is based, in whole or majority, in Stain. And if you notice, I never said that Stain would conclude the effort to wipe out Nation, just a significant first effort in breaking them.




Firstly, Nation is composed of two groups, those complicit willingly with Kuvakei and mindless robots. I have no problem killing them all.
Secondly, our experience and ability speaks for itself.

CONCORD pays capsuleers for eliminating Nation ships anywhere they are found. This is simply one big bounty payout for the destruction of Nation. And as I have said before, I am open to negotiations.



CONCORD does not have the ability to undertake an invasion of this magnitude and secure empire space at the same time. (When I re-read this, I spit tea all over my terminal. Who am I kidding, CONCORD does not have the ability to secure empire space now.) I've covered the importance of Stain in other posts and I will reiterate for the last time. The destruction of Stain will not just be a military victory. It is true that we expect it to cripple the ability of Nation to make war. However, the moral victory from such an effort cannot be undervalued. Those True Citizens might start to see the folly of their master. The cluster will see that Nation's current incarnation can be defeated. That is why this proposal is public. I want the people of the cluster to wake up. I want armies mobilized, fleets deployed. When Nation comes for innocent people in their bed, I want five year old girls to be crouched in the corner with a blaster. I want old men to fight until their bodies break. I want the cluster to stand up and say:

"This far and no further. We will not submit; we will not surrender. We will fight Nation in space with our battlefleets, in the sky with aeroplanes, and on the ground with every weapon we have right down to our own eyeteeth. There may be a day when Nation rules the cluster, but I will not see it, because I will have died in the attempt to stop it."



True, we despise CONCORD. (I will, however, say that my fanatical devotion to Mittens would make any True Slave jealous. The difference is I know he's just a man.) However, I despise them much less than Nation. CONCORD is an annoyance, Nation is a threat. And if other groups feel they can eliminate Nation, I'd like to see their proposal. Cripes, I'd blue with -A- to destroy Nation.



I'll let you know when the mewling of pubbies concerns me. Posting this in a public place puts pressure on CONCORD. Need I remind you, that while the IGS is only open to uploads by capsuleers, baseliners read it as well. So yes, we're making a public proposal, not something that can be rejected unread by some CONCORD flunky who only cares about getting off work in time to catch his favorite Gallente holo-dramas. (Side note, the one with the jerk of a doctor is amazing. But still, it's called a DVR, learn to use it.)

What boggles me is why Sansha even still bothers with harassing the inner sphere. He wanted to create his own little empire, free from outside interference. Well, he's got one. It may be in the middle of nowhere, but if he had the good sense to just stay there then people would probably leave him alone in return.

I've been in the CFC for a while now, chief. I only joined Amok. three days ago. Cripes. what is it with pubbies today? Don't post if you have no idea what you are talking about.

((Dear overzealous ISD or CCP Mod. Pubbies is a perfectly good IC term for Aliza to use. It means: "anyone that isn't us" in a derogatory manner.))

You're replying to us, aren't you?

At least you play into the goon cliche well, even after just three days. I'm sure your months of being a pet in FA taught you how to do that well.

Heh. I wonder.



What a disturbing idea.

By the number of people that seem to think my demands are excessive, I conclude that most of the pilots using this forum have no idea how actual war is fought. The butcher's bill from one major null sec engagement can equal the cost of weeks of militia engagements. A perfect example: CFC fleets were dispatched to IRC space in Cobat Edge to abort a baby titan. The ensuing battle's losses were well in excess of one hundred and thirty billion ISK and no supercapitals were fielded. The CFC capital fleet also remained in Tribute. (IRC and their allies deployed around thirty or so capitals in the engagement, losing nearly a dozen.) Full scale capital (and supercapital) engagements can involve losses upwards of trillions of ISK. When the DRF broke the back of the Northern Coalition (no dot) in Uemon, the losses were over two trillion ISK. The destruction of a single alpha fleet alone is around forty billion ISK. Once you take these numbers into mind, the request for payment of ten trillion ISK is not that outlandish. Besides, if we're going to rid the cluster of the Nation threat, that ought to be worth a consideration or two.

The rests of the requests and rationale:

• Five hundred capitals, one hundred supercarriers and one hundred titans.
Our attack is going to be costly. There is no way around the fact that we are going to lose a vast number of ships grinding down the Nation fleet. We are going to have to field capital and supercapital forces nearly every engagement. We know for certain Nation possesses a large capital fleet of their own. To break their back we are going to have to go all in. The ships that we requested are to ensure that when that particular battle comes we can achieve victory and reship pilots that lose their capitals quickly during the engagement. The manufacturing capability of the empires should be able to produce such numbers of capital ships easily.


• Finally, CONCORD will provide BPOs of their anti-cloaking technology to each of the CFC alliances.
While a boat load of money is always enjoyable, improved technology is always nice. The anti-cloaking pulse generators carried by CONCORD ships would be a wonderful asset to any capsuleer organization. We're not asking for the advanced Jovian drives or weaponry here. However, this is a point that we are willing to negotiate on. Though, some sort of compensation beyond ISK shoud be provided.


• Losses of sub-capital ships will be covered at one hundred and fifty percent by Pend Insurance and they will reexamine payouts for tech II and tech III ships to align them in accordance with market prices.

We use advanced technology everywhere we can. A battleship carries around sixty million ISK in guns alone. Rigs, defensive modules, EWAR, damage modules and advanced ammo drive the price up further. A battleship hull that costs around two hundred and fifty million ISK will wind up being around three fifty fitted and ready for war. The insurance we are requesting from Pend essentially covers the cost of fitting these vessels.

In addition, line fleets of battleships (which will be the preferred doctrine for our invasion) require logistics and recon cruisers in addition to command ships. No doubt, in the course of the invasion, these ships will also be destroyed in huge numbers. Currently, whoever is doing the metrics at Pend has no idea the actual cost of these vessels. They should be covered at the same rate as other vessels.

Other doctrines call for the use of sleeper tech ships. Currently the loss of a strategic cruiser wind up paying out less than ten million ISK. If we are going to field them (and lose them) we want the insurance to cover their actual value, not the current amount.


• All safeties of capsuleer vessels that CONCORD has hardwired into pod interfaces will be removed in regions that Nation infests. Stargates, stations, planets and moons, as well as other minor structures will be designated as proper targets.

This is non-negotiable. If we're going eradicate Nation, we can't do it with one hand behind our back.


• While the CFC is on this campaign, CONCORD DED and SWAT vessels will defend all CFC structures (stations, towers, I-Hubs) with the same lethal force they use in high security space. They will disallow SBUs from being anchored in all CFC sovereign space. CONCORD will order traffic control to limit stargate access to CFC sovereign space to those entities designated by CFC diplomats.

This is more for our convince than anything else. While on campaign, scrublord alliances will no doubt attempt to take our space, harass our moon mining operations and generally make a nuisance of themselves. We can defend our space while destroying Nation. However, it will take longer to eradicate Kuvakei's automatons and may put the invasion in jeopardy. If this is not acceptable to CONCORD, this point may be dropped. Although, last time all the stops were pulled out to neutralize Nation; now I wonder why the hesitation. Were I inclined to wear tinfoil hats, I would conclude that certain members of CONCORD and the empires were in Kuvakei's thrall.