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Tiericide Battlecruiser mineral cost adjustments
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RichtPaul
Shadow Industries I
#1 - 2013-01-19 18:51:31 UTC
As stated in this dev blog: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73530

"It is also worth noting that we will adjust ship mineral requirements as we continue with the rebalancing."

So... does anybody know what that change will be like?
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-01-19 19:03:35 UTC
The changes are on sisi now, so you could easily get on to find out yourself. The cliff notes are a 50-80% (depending on the ship) build cost increase for tier 1 and a 7-15% increase for tier 2. Tier 3 is untouched.

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RichtPaul
Shadow Industries I
#3 - 2013-01-19 19:57:59 UTC
Thanks mama.
Hillesumos
Trader's Academy
#4 - 2013-01-20 00:00:39 UTC
The huge stockpile of BC that are going to be made before this change ...

It is going to be fun to watch... then again they die a lot faster than mining shipsTwisted
Havoc Zealot
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-01-20 07:23:00 UTC
This change supposed to be coming out with the BC fixes in 1.1?
Llyandrian
Livestock Science Exchange
#6 - 2013-01-20 10:18:39 UTC

The extra demand will make the frigate price spike look like blip.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-01-20 13:29:01 UTC
I suppose the ongoing revisions might bump up the mineral needs of the tier 3 BC's, or are they considered to be the benchmark to rebalance the lesser BC's ?

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Rengerel en Distel
#8 - 2013-01-20 15:39:06 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
I suppose the ongoing revisions might bump up the mineral needs of the tier 3 BC's, or are they considered to be the benchmark to rebalance the lesser BC's ?


perhaps read the post #2?

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-01-20 16:19:50 UTC  |  Edited by: mynnna
Llyandrian wrote:

The extra demand will make the frigate price spike look like blip.


Maybe you're thinking of the cruiser spike, they happened at the same time?

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Dino Ginger
Lai Dai Solutions
#10 - 2013-01-20 20:27:40 UTC
Anyone have the numbers?


how much now, and how much in SISI, of the minerals?
shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-01-20 21:29:17 UTC
Dino Ginger wrote:
Anyone have the numbers?


how much now, and how much in SISI, of the minerals?


no offence, but generally if you have to ask that, your prolly too late

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mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-01-20 22:16:43 UTC
It's not too late, minerals haven't started moving, yet. The hulls themselves have, but they're low hanging fruit.

That said the percentages are posted above, if you want exact numbers either stop being lazy and go check sisi yourself, or wait for someone else to post them.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#13 - 2013-01-20 22:25:34 UTC
Dino Ginger wrote:
Anyone have the numbers?


how much now, and how much in SISI, of the minerals?


By the time you asked, some are already planning when to unload. Just saying.

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mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-01-21 02:56:39 UTC
I just had a really good meal and the info is already in a spreadsheet of mine anyway, so I decided to be generous.

http://i.imgur.com/5VGbDMG.png

Enjoy.

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shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-01-21 05:46:27 UTC
mynnna wrote:
I just had a really good meal and the info is already in a spreadsheet of mine anyway, so I decided to be generous.

http://i.imgur.com/5VGbDMG.png

Enjoy.


It might have been the meal, but I´ve the strong feeling that the~100bil Trit you invested in, werent totally unretaled aswell, heh?

just as a quick reminder:
Procurer price Jita : ~7.500.000 mil (current)
Procurer build cost: ~24.500.000 mil

why? because the over-production that happened 2-3 weeks before the changes took place, will simply cover the procurer demand for the next 3-4 years.

guess whats gona happen to Tier 1 BC´s, but make your own experience

and no I did not invest in anything this time ;)

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Molic Blackbird
Orion Faction Industries
Orion Consortium
#16 - 2013-01-21 06:38:29 UTC
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:


just as a quick reminder:
Procurer price Jita : ~7.500.000 mil (current)
Procurer build cost: ~24.500.000 mil

why? because the over-production that happened 2-3 weeks before the changes took place, will simply cover the procurer demand for the next 3-4 years.

guess whats gona happen to Tier 1 BC´s, but make your own experience

and no I did not invest in anything this time ;)


Selling Procurers at 7.5m is 3 times what they cost to build. Making 3 times the ISK invested is doing well even if it takes a year or more to sell them off.
I'm a temp
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-01-21 07:53:18 UTC
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
procurer demand


You just stated the main reason for procurer prices. How many people actually fly those or skiffs these days? That's what I thought.
Retrievers seem to be doing just fine.
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-01-21 08:08:11 UTC  |  Edited by: mynnna
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:

It might have been the meal, but I´ve the strong feeling that the~100bil Trit you invested in, werent totally unretaled aswell, heh?


That's all for my own tiericide consumption. I am merely seeking to provide a public service to interested fellow investors.

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enterprisePSI
#19 - 2013-01-21 08:18:27 UTC  |  Edited by: enterprisePSI
The New Order has increased demand for procurer / skiffs. The plan is to make the miners think that they are safe in these vessels. Purging of these ships will commence, once a critical number has been reached.


I am only throwing 30 bil at this BC tiericide , RL is killing me atm.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#20 - 2013-01-21 09:09:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Molic Blackbird wrote:
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:


just as a quick reminder:
Procurer price Jita : ~7.500.000 mil (current)
Procurer build cost: ~24.500.000 mil

why? because the over-production that happened 2-3 weeks before the changes took place, will simply cover the procurer demand for the next 3-4 years.

guess whats gona happen to Tier 1 BC´s, but make your own experience

and no I did not invest in anything this time ;)


Selling Procurers at 7.5m is 3 times what they cost to build. Making 3 times the ISK invested is doing well even if it takes a year or more to sell them off.


I did not hop on the barges bandwagon (edit: except to sell tons of Macks BPCs and ships), they die far too rarely to be an investment with sensible returns in a reasonable amount of time. Sure if I throw 100B I can get back 300 after 3 years... so what? It's a below 3.1% a month revenue. Only really useful to the few ones with hundreds billions sitting doing nothing.

To make a little comparison, in 1 month I netted 150-180% over regular Retriever / Mack BPCs which is certainly less than 300% but it's a month and not 1-3 years.

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