EVE General Discussion

To be frank, that's...a really dumb way of thinking. The EVE economy is demand driven. Without shiplosses driven by PVP, the entire eve economy would grind to a halt. Since PVPers are the apex consumers of our world, THEY have the ultimate control, not industrials.

Simply, look at this, which causes a bigger ripple...supply of trit on the market, or a FOTM ship change. In a supply driven economy, trit cost would be important. Demand driven, end-consumer whims push the market.

"Market is not PVP" ideas are what will cause you loss to a "Market is PVP" person. Market=PVP has no problems loss-leadering your stuff, awoxing your corp, hinting New Order into your mining fields, or just plain wardeccing you. No hard feelings, all about the ISK, just business.

I've often thought that there should be systems that will not accept any ships over a certain hull and no T2 gear. Something that would ensure that your opponent is flying a similar ship to your own. And the ships fighting there would all be cheap as hell. Of course there's still the skill difference. But I bet the real hardcore guys would get sick of the small pond pretty quickly.

I don't like the idea of artificial enforcement like that though, IDK.

Maybe a POS tower that has a chance to destroy modules, the more expensive the module the higher the chance that it will be destroyed.

But something to make cheap ships more common in PvP. Hmmmm, that might increase the cost of plex as people don't need to buy so many BC's. Would CCP care if the ISK price for Plex went up 20 or 23%?

I have seen it where something hits a market for a certain price, and then the price drops, and those who bought at a higher price get angry.


So those who have had the ability to "join a null corp" and pay the high price of having to donate a significant portion of their free time and sanity to PVP and getting PVP get a little irked when they are faced with the prospect of PVP getting "cheaper"

The truth of the matter is that not everybody is a neckbeard with hours and hours to dedicate to PVP, and CCP has been realizing that.

Yes, people can complain, but these days, and as the player base ages, gets promoted at work (more responsibility), has kids (less free time) , and other matters, they have less time to spend on say, waiting hours to get a fleet together and do a 30 jump roam into nullsec and chase a few ships off a few gates.


And so things change... Crimewatch, Duelling (coming soon), FW....

and there are those null dwellers, who bit the bullet, and getting more and more bitter with each expansion that makes PVP more accessible.

When CCP knows that a certain point gets reached, for many players who simply don't have time, that point that occurs RIGHT after they no longer log in to up their Skill Queue.

Does CCP cater to those whose only real accomplishment is "putting up with nullsec", the few and far between they are (and how many are in high sec who used to be in null)? How long can that last?

Yes, things are changing. PVP is getting more accessible. Because people can play a FPS game endlessly, for YEARS, because you get whacked and go back to a spawn point, but if you had to go back to a grind every time then COD/MW would be a footnote in gaming history.

Of course, there will probably never be such a think in EvE - but those of you who have the clone vat with scores of ships parked right outside of it have exactly what a FPS player has, because you "put in the time" - time that YOU had, and what others don't, and I don't recall that this game has the "he who has the most time to play wins" being one of the selling points. In fact, it's those other games who have that element that makes it a turnoff for people who pay their own bills (meaning that if you don't have all weekend every weekend for your guild to help you run through the same instance repeatedly until you have the entire purple set, you last 2 seconds in the arenas) .


Too bad so sad. The player are changing, times are changing. The game is changing to remain viable and profit(?)able.

Deal with it.

I don't want Eve to be easier. I do think that there are some options that would make the game more interesting for everyone involved; PvP via rats or paid off station gunners, mines that can be placed and will attack individuals or corps that get near them, POS towers that cause modules to blow up, kamikaze ships that miners can use to blow up stuff.

As it stands now the options for direct destruction are pretty limited and not usable by many players.

Wow, lots of projection and armchair psychoanalysis.

Eve is a game that combines some of the best features of space trading, combat simulations, and 4X games, makes them interact, and makes them all player-driven and competitive to varying degrees. This is in contrast to games that just happen to have a optional economy. (To abuse WoW, crafting is largely irrelevant, and the auction house is irrelevant when best-in-slot items are non-exchangeable purchases from NPC vendors.)

People who think economic games are not vicious and cut-throat have never sat down with certain members of my family at a Monopoly board. I'd rather jump into a gate camp than deal with a bidding war among cousins. The gate camp at least is a win-win situation that makes everyone's night a little more interesting, and I think I've lost more ISK in market battles.

The problem with carebears is that they care too much about isk. Any risk of loosing isk is tooo big. They prefer blob warefare as it gives them little bit of a rush vs minimal risk. It is ether greed or shortsightingness that is troubeling them. The reson to blob is also the biggest reson that carebears jump ship in corporations and alliances when they dont have advantage in fleeting. This is why 'carebear' alliances implode damn quick... ppl just bail when it is easier and better (read cheaper) for themselves. Their isk and their wallets are more important. As a vet 0.0 recruiter for several years i strongy advice to not mass recruit bears if ppl want to build a solid corp. ;)

There is no problem with bears. They play the game their way, nothing problematic about that.

I went down to Delve last summer to watch some of that mess. The Test fleets were 2 and 5 hundred guys, the locals mustered a handful here and there. Are you saying that Test is a carebear corp? And that blob warfare is not a valid tactic?

I'm sorry that this post had to be 4 lines long. You can read it twice if that will help.

lol, I'm sorry. lol

The reasons are really irrelevant. Just the options...Do you need a hug?

Snarky post removed, I refuse to be drug into ad hominems.