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Why all the hate of highsec?

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Zaraz Zaraz
Zontik Paraphernalia Inc
#81 - 2013-01-18 11:07:30 UTC
Tarvos Telesto wrote:
Why all the hate of highsec?

Because some people who play EvE for years lose sense of being here and enjoying EvE like it is, most of them spent more time on whining and forum than in game.

To OP, stop paying attention on them, they not worth a single quote, they steal your vauable time, all what they can is being emos and cry about other players, im my opinion they dont belong to true EvE community, meta forum gaming, nothing more.


Whining and moaning on the forum is why I sub...
Etherealclams
#82 - 2013-01-18 12:50:53 UTC
Randolph Rothstein wrote:
in some other thread a read a gem of a thought regarding high sec and i quote "bunch of you are literally playing the game wrong"

so there,you shouldnt play the game wrong,and if you do change how you play asap...


never understood how you can "play a game wrong" especially a game like this one. Who gives a **** if they sit in hi-sec and do nothing but mission run?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#83 - 2013-01-18 13:32:16 UTC
Etherealclams wrote:
Randolph Rothstein wrote:
in some other thread a read a gem of a thought regarding high sec and i quote "bunch of you are literally playing the game wrong"

so there,you shouldnt play the game wrong,and if you do change how you play asap...


never understood how you can "play a game wrong" especially a game like this one. Who gives a **** if they sit in hi-sec and do nothing but mission run?

If you demand the game to be changed to remove a threat then you are playing the game wrong.
Usagi Toshiro
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#84 - 2013-01-18 13:35:35 UTC
Certain player groups hate high sec because we have more fun. Bear

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#85 - 2013-01-18 13:37:04 UTC
because our ***** are bigger

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Doc Severiide
Doomheim
#86 - 2013-01-18 13:41:00 UTC
No way I'm gonna read all that... Sheesh...
Zaraz Zaraz
Zontik Paraphernalia Inc
#87 - 2013-01-19 01:47:39 UTC
Etherealclams wrote:
Randolph Rothstein wrote:
in some other thread a read a gem of a thought regarding high sec and i quote "bunch of you are literally playing the game wrong"

so there,you shouldnt play the game wrong,and if you do change how you play asap...


never understood how you can "play a game wrong" especially a game like this one. Who gives a **** if they sit in hi-sec and do nothing but mission run?


Who? Maybe the people who sit out in null/low moaning about lack of targets to milk for killmails?
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#88 - 2013-01-19 03:00:19 UTC
Rebalancing risk and reward is a good start. Most highsec dwellers won't leave because they see no compelling reasons to do so. Lowsec is generally LESS profitable than high, and comes with significant logistical problems. And we all know how the typical highsec carebear sees null.

Another good way to drive change is to make NPC corps harder to live in. They shouldn't be havens for people to hide their PVE alts in for years.

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#89 - 2013-01-19 04:10:18 UTC
wanting to balance the game isn't hatred, hth
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#90 - 2013-01-19 04:44:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Tardbar
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
wanting to balance the game isn't hatred, hth


I don't know. It just comes across that certain players want to change hi-sec because they hate the way a large portion of the playerbase spends its time.

As they would rather them being doing something else instead with their time and it drives them crazy. Mad even. Thread-naught mad.

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#91 - 2013-01-19 04:55:50 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Thread-naught mad.

threadnaught mad people like the OP?
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#92 - 2013-01-19 04:59:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Tardbar
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Rebalancing risk and reward is a good start. Most highsec dwellers won't leave because they see no compelling reasons to do so. Lowsec is generally LESS profitable than high, and comes with significant logistical problems. And we all know how the typical highsec carebear sees null.

Another good way to drive change is to make NPC corps harder to live in. They shouldn't be havens for people to hide their PVE alts in for years.


Well here is the deal. Many hi-sec miners and industrialists plex their accounts as well as some mission runners.

If you reduce the amount of isk they earn to a point where they can't buy plex for their accounts they'll quit the game because they don't want to pay for the sub.

Many PvPers who don't want to waste time mining or grinding missions rely on those who do to purchase their plexes. To upset the economy in major ways would actually be detrimental to pew pew. Ships would be too expensive to fly and people will dock up because they can't tolerate the losses. They'll get bored being docked and then subs will go down.

Keep in mind nerfing NPC corps did not result in people in people joining null sec alliances. It resulted in people either sucking up and tolerating the taxes or starting one man corps.

Let's be honest here. There is nothing short of giving players free ships and gear to get them into low-sec and null sec.

People will either do industry in hi-sec or they won't keep playing. They won't move to low or null now matter how much you nerf them.

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BTW the reason people don't go to lowsec is not because its more or less profitable. Its because if you go, chances are you will lose your ship. I mean that is the whole point of low-sec. People are risk adverse and don't want to lose things they spent time and effort to get. You can't change human nature.

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Sekhmet Snotra
Rattium Incorporated
#93 - 2013-01-19 07:30:20 UTC
Last time I checked moon goo does generate isk, therefore is not an isk faucet. It simply moves isk in the direction of moon goo producers. The actual isk is printed via things like ratting, which happens to mostly be due to ratting in 0.0, who buy t2 modules/ships for pvp. Therefore, the moon goo isk actually ends up coming from the populations of the 0.0 alliances, not from the ones who harvest the goo. It just happens to pass through high sec before it gets back out to the alliances in 0.0
Zaraz Zaraz
Zontik Paraphernalia Inc
#94 - 2013-01-19 11:11:50 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:

BTW the reason people don't go to lowsec is not because its more or less profitable. Its because if you go, chances are you will lose your ship. I mean that is the whole point of low-sec. People are risk adverse and don't want to lose things they spent time and effort to get. You can't change human nature.


which makes me wonder; when people in this game have no problems losing their ships doesn't that mean that the ship was too easy to get? Wouldn't that mean that the 'risk' factor in this dark, harsh, cold sandbox is too low for them? Shouldn't it be higher so they are a bit scared and worried? I mean... 'cold harsh reality' and all that...
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#95 - 2013-01-19 11:16:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaju Enki
People hate highsec because it doesn't fit with the rest of EvE Online.

Highsec Risk vs Reward is broken.

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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#96 - 2013-01-19 12:05:04 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
People hate highsec because it doesn't fit with the rest of EvE Online.

Highsec Risk vs Reward is broken.


Because people have made null so safe, that it has dropped the prices of low and null sec mins to that of high sec mins.


Hunters spend hours flying around low sec, and all they find is empty space and a few large fleets trying to blob them. Then they go to high sec and they see all these solo miners and people flying around in big juicy ships. Their tiny brains think, OH, if only we could lure all these targets out to low sec, this game would be so much fun for me.

They seem unable to make the leap that the reason people are in high sec is because they have NO desire to be hunted. There is no amount of reward that would justify the risk. If there was, they'd be in null.

They hate high sec, because they hate us people that don't want to be their victims.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#97 - 2013-01-19 12:05:31 UTC
Sekhmet Snotra wrote:
Last time I checked moon goo does generate isk, therefore is not an isk faucet.

You missed a "n't" there.
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#98 - 2013-01-19 12:07:57 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
People hate highsec because it doesn't fit with the rest of EvE Online.

Highsec Risk vs Reward is broken.


I saw a mission Tengu get blapped by one volley of a Tornado. Apparently, he didn't tank his shiney well enough. Dude ****** up. Dude lost his stuffz. What kind of risk is it you think high sec is missing?
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#99 - 2013-01-19 12:08:28 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
People hate highsec because it doesn't fit with the rest of EvE Online.

Highsec Risk vs Reward is broken.


Because people have made null so safe, that it has dropped the prices of low and null sec mins to that of high sec mins.


Hunters spend hours flying around low sec, and all they find is empty space and a few large fleets trying to blob them. Then they go to high sec and they see all these solo miners and people flying around in big juicy ships. Their tiny brains think, OH, if only we could lure all these targets out to low sec, this game would be so much fun for me.

They seem unable to make the leap that the reason people are in high sec is because they have NO desire to be hunted. There is no amount of reward that would justify the risk. If there was, they'd be in null.

They hate high sec, because they hate us people that don't want to be their victims.

Bullshit. You already are victims.

The only thing worth complaining about lowsec citizens is the fact that they live in lowsec,
instead of living in highsec, where all the victims are.
Dave Stark
#100 - 2013-01-19 12:08:57 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
People hate highsec because it doesn't fit with the rest of EvE Online.

Highsec Risk vs Reward is broken.


Because people have made null so safe, that it has dropped the prices of low and null sec mins to that of high sec mins.


you seem to have completely ignored the fact that the supply of low end minerals was cut with the removal of drone poo, meaning we have an excess supply of high ends in comparison to low ends. this has NOTHING to do with how safe either region is. it's about the fact that the supply of low ends stopped meeting the demand, and prices of low ends rose.