Wormholes

Let me be very clear:

This is a nitpicking gripe. I love wormholes. I love the money we make here. But this just flat-out BUGS me.

Problem: Why do the rats spawn over 100km away in C4 combat sites?

Why is it a problem: They don't spawn this far away in any other type of wormhole that I'm aware (but I haven't tried C6).

Why it's annoying: C4 wormholers have long had to put on their hiking boots to get to the rats, or use long-range fits (100km max hit, <20km minimum hit) to remain effective. I know you get some spawns in C1-C3 where the rats are about 70km away, but even that felt a little excessive at the time. Fortunately the rats burn in at you like there's no tomorrow. In C4s, some of the rats' optimals are shooting from 60-70km (upholders and preservers come to mind).

Is this fixable without improving ISK/HR for the C4 population?
I would say yes; spawn the rats at 70km (hell even 80km) from the warp-to-zero spot instead of anywhere from 90-180km away. You'll still need something of a ranged fit to run effectively (no blaster rokhs still) but you won't be spending 30-60 seconds staring at that wave in the Radar that spawned 220km away thinking to yourself "... really? Why is that necessary?'

TLDR;
This was a gripe about the distance that rats spawn from you in C4s. Their difficulty is fine. Everything else about balance between wormholes, etc. is fine. C4s are the only wormholes with combat sites that have rats spawning at distances over 100km as far as I'm aware, and it's totally a quality of life improvement. YES, I can live with the rats taking 30-60 seconds to burn into me, I just don't understand why they're spawning out of their OWN optimal range. If they were shooting me from 200km we would strap on micro jump drives, but they're not. They're burning into 70km cursing their bad warp-ins.


Svodola Darkfury, probably 1000+ C4 anomalies in and still grinding...

So fit a propulsion module :)

in c6 you dont have that problem

from what i remember from our c4 days....you could burn in the opposite direction during th earlier spawns in the site and then warp to a structure in site to get in closer range instantly

Like I said, we have no issues. The ranges just seem strangely far way compared to C5s; we've never done escalations, but from what I understand from Jack's posts they're 40ish KM away on spawn. The furthest spawn I've seen in a C5 is 90km I believe, which is fine; they burn in fairly quickly. But 180km? Really?

It's just weird. It's a REALLY minor gripe, but it built into a forum post after I timered it and we spent 8 minutes out of our hour of farming waiting on rats to burn into range (we don't do Mags/Radars anymore because it's a longer wait).

I could just really go for the max spawn range to be 100km. It's not a big boost in ISK, it's nothing like that. It's just... for sanity's sake? Does that make sense? Maybe rats shouldn't be spawning at warp distances.

Svo.

^^This

It was annoying at first but then I simply memorized the general area each wave would spawn (especially helpful on mag/radar) and had the fleet follow my ship so that we would always be 100k or closer to the new spawn when a trigger went down.

For tengu fleets AB helps alot now that range is slightly lower than before, especially with T2 furies which is what I use on sleeper battleships as often as possible.

It's a small price to pay for one of the better farming sites in eve for a small group IMO.

PS: The Strange Energy Readings C6 anomaly is like this aswell, making a warpin point closer to the structure works fine though.

Bullshit.

Let's be clear, no C4 rats spawn 180km away. The furthest is ~130km.

EDIT: I am not trying to instigate, but once you start talking about 130km and not 180km, figuring out ship fits and fleet comp for efficiency becomes far easier.

Well, I would beg to differ a little. At least on the Radars and Mags. At least the Trinary hub and evacuation center, the spawns are > 150km from the warpin. I remember distinctly because you cannot click on them and hit approach because they are outside range.

I even had one instance where the last spawn actually spawned off grid. I thought the site was bugged and warped off. As I entered warp i saw the red crosses briefly. I ended up warping back and forth until i could get a bookmark on grid. It continued to be funny as the battleships orbited me they would disappear and reappear as they moved between the two grids.

That's when I decided to say F'k the radars and mags.

They have a ship for that .
Set a BM then warp to it.

But really it is a C4, It's not very hard!

Problem solved!