Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Any major fleet that you enter these days requires logistics, infact even roaming fleets these days carry multiple logistics. Currently we have a single logistic ship type, which is able to fit the largest of reps for subcap ships, and have the added bonus of being cruiser sized.

A single ship, to rep your fleet, regardless of what your flying, be it battleships, battlecruisers, hacs or t3s, a single ship that in mass is a nightmare to take down.

I think one of the major problems with fleet fights is logistics, they keep the fight going just too darn long, and trying to kill a logi with a battleship fleet is... near impossible and purely down to lag, and luck.

As such, I beleive that we need to change logistics a bit, by introducing new logistics, and reballancing our current logistics.

We should have logistics frigates, these are designed to use small shield transporters, and small remote armor repairs. our current logistic cruisers, get downgraded and can fit upto medium sized modules, and finally a battleship logistic introduced, which obviously can fit the large sized modules.

What this does, is change how you design and have your fleets, it makes fleet fights a little more ballanced, obviously you want to bring a batltleship logistic with a battleship gang, but what about to a hac gang?

This change would make logistics a whole lot more ballanced as a role, would change the way in which people design fleets, make fights more about the skills of the pilots, than how many logistics each side has, and bring some much need fun to fights.

That and more **** should explode, which we all love!

a pvpers single minded view who thinks they speak for everyone you people are bigger trolls than me

The only problem I see with logis at the moment is that they are very hard to counter, a ECCM logi, more so if using remote ECCM to stop jamming is practically uncounterable unless you have over twice as many DPS ships focusing on the target or can alpha it in one go.

Perhaps just reduce logi sensor strength and range some, making them more vulnerable to sensor damp/ECM, however its a minor issue given you can get around it using alpha, mass DPS or smaller ships to engage the logis at close range, so there are ways round it even if they aren't truly effective counters.

I'm not into fleet ops lately, but I have following question for you. If you can't kill logis with your BS fleet, what about developing a strategy against these types of ships? Like for example bring other cruiser sized hulls with DPS or EWAR to counter cruiser sized logis? Should work at least on the paper I guess?

CCP should introduce a ship type that can easily hit logistics ships and do good damage ... oh wait.

While I've personally NOT sat in the type of battles you speak of, I do know that people in these large battles tend to be Battleship or bigger, and I think CCP already has the tools for these smaller hulls.

Why can't we give logi killing to cruisers? or frigates? battleships cant kill them but they can kill logi right?

I've been in fights with 30+ logistics on each side and we still managed to figure out a way to kill each other.



Man, if only there was a shipclass larger than a cruiser with logistical bonuses, maybe a module that boosts it's functionality in that role, while making it stationary.

"Come into Curse or Bhaal range" ...I don't know about the militia's fits (well maybe I do, but anyway), but usually I fit those ships with neuts lol.

Lol at Mfume's post...a ship larger than a cruiser with logi bonuses....oh wait

As a guide for those following at home: an Incursion-fitted logistics Basilisk can field a tank of ~30k EHP with room for an Afterburner. With appropriate implants and rigs, that afterburner can be replaced with an MWD. The maximum range of a logistics module (shield projector, armour repairer or energy transfer) is about 70km. The maximum targeting range of such a Basilisk is about 100km, and sensor strength is about 30 Gravimetric.

(the details are slightly different, these are "engineering/ballpark" figures)

If you point an unbonussed ECM module at a basilisk, you already have a 1/10 chance of jamming it. If you have any skills in ECM at all, you get much better chances to jam that basilisk. The poor basilisk doesn't stand a chance if you're flying an ECM boat such as a Falcon, Rook, Griffin, Kitsune, Scorpion or Widow.

But let's ignore ECM, because everyone hates ECM (which is why I love ECM so much). What if you were flying a Maulus? It has a 25% bonus to damper strength, which improves the 34% damping power of a scripted T2 damper to 42% (reduction in targeting range). So fit your Maulus with two of those, you've now effectively reduced the targeting range of that logistics boat from 100km to about 30km: this is short-range battleship territory. There are other options of course, you could simply use one scripted target damper on each of three unbonused ships.

But what if you don't want to use target dampers either, since you're following the dogma that they're useless (which I don't mind at all, if you think dampers are useless you probably aren't fitting signal amplifiers or sensor boosters). What other options do you have? There's the option of intercepting the logistics boats and beating them up with assault ships, interceptors, destroyers or vagabonds.

There are more options available, I'll leave inventing other means to remove logistics boats from the field as an exercise for the reader.

In the meantime, look at your fleet. If you don't have any kind of electronic warfare in your fleet, you are gimping yourselves. You don't even need EWAR specialist ships to use EWAR effectively: an ECM module, a target damper, tracking disruptor or painter in a spare slot can turn the tide of a fight.