These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Player Features and Ideas Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
12Next page
 

CCP please fix the Hel and Nidhoggur

First post
Author
Nate Gordo
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-01-17 17:52:12 UTC
I am still wondering whether there are any plans to improve the Minmatar carrier and supercarrier. Compared to their counter parts these ships are both underpowered and poorly protected. Lacking the resist bonus of Amarr and Caldari ships and the damage bonus of the Gallente ships, the Minmatar ships are becoming redundant. Minmatar ships have often been regarding as one of the heavier hitting ships, but this is not the case with the carriers. I understand that the carriers are logistic ships, so where does the 5% bonus per level fit in for the supercarrier Hel. The Nidhoggur is as good as repping other caps as a Archon, that is if there was enough PG and cap to run reps on it, which the Archon can do even though it doesnt have a rep bonus, so teh Archon reps better than the 'repping' carrier does not make sense to me.

The Hel and Nidhoggur can not stand in a fight as longs as the Amarr and Caldari equivalents or do as much damage as the Gallente, and so provide less damage to a fight over all and many of the other carriers are just as good as acting as logistics.

Hence the bonus in the Nidhoggur is pointless as it can't rep as well as other caps, or stay in a fight as long

The Hel is not a giant logistic ship that is a carrier role not a supercarrier, the bonus pointless, and does not stand for anything in this class, yet it remains that way, a drone rof bonus to fighters and fighter bombers would be better with rof in keeping with Minmatar bonus.

NG
Viktoria Von Doom
Oceania Endeavors Incorporated
#2 - 2013-01-17 17:55:33 UTC
Amarr master race.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-01-17 17:56:35 UTC
Winmatar must now win both subcap and cap?
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-01-17 18:00:41 UTC
Increase their speed by x6! Nano caps!

(only 95% sarcasm)

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec.

Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#5 - 2013-01-17 18:10:54 UTC
What about an agility bonus for both carriers so it's a bit like the minmatar Titan fleet bonus?

"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! pops more corn" ---Evernub--

Migrator Soul
Filthy Peasants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#6 - 2013-01-17 19:24:16 UTC
I too am a disgruntled Niddy pilot. I love my Nid, but unfortunately, I have no use for it outside of transporting ships in it around lowsec.

Problems:

-Smallest capacitor of all carriers, which makes it hard to keep cap stable in a fight, and easy to cap out.

-Not enough powergrid to fit a standard armor triage set up of x3 rr armor reps, x1 cap transfer, x2 local reps

-Not enough cpu to fit a shield standard triage set up of x3 RR shield reps, X1 Cap transfer, X1 local rep.

-Because of that, the chim/archon outshine the nid in repping power, only because they have the fitting requirements to be able to field such a set up.

- Chim/archon also have a better cap, better resists, and much better EHP

-Nid has lowest EHP of all carriers

-Nid also is useless for dps, (which isn't a problem, but when coupled with the above problems, makes it just another straw on the proverbial back of the camel.)

Sadly, because of these, I have given up all hope of actually having a useful pvp nid, and have started training for a moros.

Solutions:

Buff the capacitor in line with the rest of the carriers.

Fix either the cpu or powergrid of the nid, so it becomes either a shield repping carrier, or an armor repping carrier. Having to gimp and fit an armor local tank to triage shield reps, and vice versa, is asinine.

Give the nid enough EHP to actually be able to survive in an engagement, and not be insta primary because its so easy to alpha.

If it is truly meant to be a repping monster for both armor/shields, then buff both powergrid, and CPU, keep the current rep power bonus, and increase EHP in both shields/armor.

As it stands now, it is a pitiful carrier in comparison to any of the others. Hell, even a thanatos can come up with a better triage fit than the niddy in its current state, due to its capacitor and fitting restrictions.

I really love the niddy, and therefore, I hope that when it is capital balance time, somebody *cough* Fozzie *cough* shows some love to the nidd.
Migrator Soul
Filthy Peasants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#7 - 2013-01-17 19:40:49 UTC
Drake Doe wrote:
What about an agility bonus for both carriers so it's a bit like the minmatar Titan fleet bonus?



Agility caps is about as useless as a McDonald's diet, with the goal to lose weight.

Caps are not "Agile" they are fat, slow, expensive war machines designed with the purpose of slugging it out, taking a beating, and repping like gods.
Irregessa
Obfuscation and Reflections
#8 - 2013-01-18 03:10:02 UTC
Drake Doe wrote:
What about an agility bonus for both carriers so it's a bit like the minmatar Titan fleet bonus?


The Ragnarok's bonus is to reduce sig. radius, not increase agility. This is even more useless for carriers.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-01-18 05:23:22 UTC
I would direct everyone to the excellent flowchart by CCP Fozzie in this link

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73572

Migrator Soul
Filthy Peasants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#10 - 2013-01-18 17:31:07 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
I would direct everyone to the excellent flowchart by CCP Fozzie in this link

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73572



the point that we are attempting to raise is, both of these ships have been horrible, throughout the history of EVE. Yes, the flowchart says what it says, but absolutely nothing carrier related has been said by Fozzie, nor has there been any love shown towards the niddy at all.
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#11 - 2013-01-18 17:44:24 UTC
Before I joined CCP, the corp I played with celebrated a major milestone when they finally reduced their number of Hels to 0. That is unsurprisingly not what we're aiming for when it comes to ship balance.

I understand that the fact we are focusing on T1 subcaps first is a source of frustration for people flying the long-suffering Minmatar caps, and we're not yet close enough to implementing cap changes to start giving ETAs.

What I can assure you of though is that when we do rebalance caps and supercaps, the weakness of the Minmatar versions will be near the top of our priorities.

Game Designer | Team Five-0

Twitter: @CCP_Fozzie
Twitch chat: ccp_fozzie

Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#12 - 2013-01-18 18:33:19 UTC
The Nag must remain vertical.
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-01-18 18:39:10 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
The Nag must remain vertical.


Make it sideways.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec.

Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#14 - 2013-01-18 18:39:26 UTC
What about a rof bonus for the drones which is a lot like projectile weapons getting rof bonuses on minmatar ships, that way every carrier's bonus is unique but still fits a similar niche as another carrier ( like the resistance bonuses on caldari and amarr carriers)

"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! pops more corn" ---Evernub--

Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#15 - 2013-01-18 18:40:27 UTC
Commander Ted wrote:
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
The Nag must remain vertical.


Make it sideways.

Giant rusty myrmidon to giant rusty catalyst

"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! pops more corn" ---Evernub--

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-01-18 19:04:11 UTC
Drake Doe wrote:
What about a rof bonus for the drones which is a lot like projectile weapons getting rof bonuses on minmatar ships, that way every carrier's bonus is unique but still fits a similar niche as another carrier ( like the resistance bonuses on caldari and amarr carriers)

Have to be careful with that since an ROF bonus is superior dps-wise to a damage bonus.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#17 - 2013-01-18 19:08:55 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Drake Doe wrote:
What about a rof bonus for the drones which is a lot like projectile weapons getting rof bonuses on minmatar ships, that way every carrier's bonus is unique but still fits a similar niche as another carrier ( like the resistance bonuses on caldari and amarr carriers)

Have to be careful with that since an ROF bonus is superior dps-wise to a damage bonus.

It would have to be low enough to stay in line with the gallente ship

"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! pops more corn" ---Evernub--

Krell Kroenen
The Devil's Shadow
#18 - 2013-01-18 19:10:04 UTC
Well I sold my Nag after it lost it's drones and fell even further behind with the Moros changes. And I sold my remaining Nid a while back ago when my wormhole one was singled out from two other carriers that weren't nids. I figure if I want to dabble with caps again I would just cross train Amarr or Gal for it.
Bob McKenna
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-01-18 19:13:36 UTC
add cap transfer range bonus to the Nid (so it does all 3) and maybe an extra high slot to use it.
Hel...add agility, scan res, cap recharge rate, maybe a F/FB speed bonus to make it the hit-and-run supercarrier?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-01-18 19:24:13 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Krell Kroenen wrote:
Well I sold my Nag after it lost it's drones and fell even further behind with the Moros changes. And I sold my remaining Nid a while back ago when my wormhole one was singled out from two other carriers that weren't nids. I figure if I want to dabble with caps again I would just cross train Amarr or Gal for it.

You should probably note that while the Naglfar does have the lowest DPS of any dreadnought (at least so far as looking at our Alliance fittings goes) it's the only one that has the ability to select damage types pretty much at will without sacrificing DPS.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

12Next page