EVE General Discussion

You misunderstand. I'm psudo-quoting from dev interviews from when incarna was being developed. That was the line they sold and the implication I was angling at was despite the fact that CCP believed that WiS was critical they still didn't deliver. Sorry that wasn't clear to you.

WiS is a cool idea and I think it would be neat to have if there was some gameplay there.... but this thread isn't about WiS it's about CCP making grand sweeping statements and then watching the resulting development fail to meet the pitch.

Unfortunately CCP are afraid to work on WIS at this critical time (DUST release). It's a shame, because it looks like they did 80% of the groundwork for establishments.

Modular POSes have been pretty much ruled out in the CSM minutes. Too bad.

Actually as I understand it there's only a couple of rooms (essentially 2 types of captain's quarters) in DUST using the "Carbon" (EvE's) engine, and DUST itself plays in the Unreal game engine... so no there's really nothing EvE Incarna can use in DUST.

Agree fully. well said.

Dude, in gaming industry these are patch notes not expansions. No offence, but when somebody spend too much time in the restroom it get used with the smell, but for someone who may enter the room it will be difficult to stay in for long. I don't wanna compare EVE with a restroom, but more like the veteran players attitude whom love to live in their cave and are against anything innovative and new that could shake their primitive life. Every time when a new idea nor concept is thrown into the ring, the vets are QQ all over like some lousy crybabies.

EVE is an absolute brilliant game and it's a shame that only few of us playing it on this entire planet. Only with constant balancing this game heads nowhere, there must be something big, something that changes EVE as we know it today. One thing we all agree is that changes should never be anything toward the themepark concept and EVE it is and should be forever a sandbox. But even in desert sometimes rain and the sand gets vet.

Basically, yeah.

What I gathered is that CCP is done with single-big-feature expansions. They're now going to roll out new content over multiple expansions--basically, building iteration into their development plan at the highest level. That ~should~ mean no more late-alphas or betas like Incarna and Dominion. (Even the successful ones, like Trinity, are now being followed up piecemeal with the V3 project). It also likely means that CCP regards the earlier, incomplete expansions are requiring further iteration. They seem to be keen on revisiting Dominion next. I noted that Winter 2013 is slated to be a nullsec themed expansion.

On top of that, there will be the ongoing balancing and code refactoring efforts.

I believe that they will eventually get to Incarna, but since Incarna as it stands is only content in the most technical sense of the word, and because the WoD team found CARBON-as-is to be unsatisfactory for avatar gameplay, I understand why they would focus on half-finished parts of the game that make up significant content right now, like Factional Warfare and sov. And POSes *cough*.

Do you remember the trailer "EVE: A Future Vision"? At that time, EVE was a sci-fi simulation game with spaceships. I loved that idea, It fuelled my imagination, but something has changed along the road.

Sure they do...You can fap on a couch while watching poor quality re-runs on a single screen.


I want my REMOTE!

Can you tell us more please?

Play in CQ?

[breaking the 4th wall]

This game so much is about the individual achievements,
but most individuals lack any will to reach *actual* achievements.

I am totally discarding small things everybody can do, like being +5 or -10.
I'm also discarding things like reaching the first billion isk or building up a POS.
That's generic crap.

What i'm talking about is the fact that most people don't want to be famous or, at least, well known.

Every other corp seeks members and "plans to go to 0.0" ... why ?
Because that's what CCP has laid out for people to do.
Grow and move to the lawless land, as if it meant anything.

What happens to these corps ? Nothing. They might grow, they might move to 0.0,
but they'll vanish into unknowingness just like 99% of all the people out there.
Except, of course, the headline makers like the GOONS, TEST, PL, etc.

Although nice, that simply isn't good enough. In other MMOs, people level up because of
the (fake) feeling of accomplishment. They kill dumb AI and feel awesome because of that.

CCP has the same stupid stuff with missions and agents and creates the same idiots
with fake self esteem believing they are great (until they get blown up by a player),
but what CCP doesn't provide is a way to get known by PEOPLE. To actually accomplish something
that PEOPLE recognize and what makes e-famous.

I don't even think it's possible for CCP to integrate something that makes people WANT to be e-famous.
Otoh, i'm noticing way too many people simply not being interested in being e-famous. There is no incentive
for people to have impact onto the lives of others. They don't want to do it on a grander scale and most ignore
that they are doing it on a smaller scale, every time they undock.

The whole issue bogs down to people wanting to have fun, instead of trying to achieve something bigger.
Of course, i don't blame anybody for playing to have "fun", but it's not mutually exclusive to have fun AND
do hard work and actually achieve something that gets recognized by thousands of other people.

Well ... anyway. These are my *observations* about people, collected since around last april,
when i started doing the "resident outlaw of hek" storyline, which made me semi eve-famous.

Nowhere do i want to make you think that i'm talking about *everybody* out there,
but i have talked to manymanymany people out there over the last 10 months and
that's the information i've gathered. It's saddening me, tbh, because i can't keep going with my storyline,
as i lack people actually interested in playing the game in a way it is very well meant to be played:
On a grand scale, with lots of impact on the lives of others.

Simply adding more crappy content won't cut it in the long run, unless the content is totally
player-driven and puts the player into the actual middle of it ... so he has reason to try and
achieve that he'll get recognized by everybody else.


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Now go **** off, i hate you all.