EVE General Discussion

You do get banned for this and very few people ever try.

That's because you keep posting nonsense without engaging your brain, perhaps? Or maybe your refusal to accept facts (like the fact that your definition of griefing is irrelevant here)?

Blame it on Incarana.

Which is what it was.

They're finally heading in the right direction but damage takes time to fix.

Two Problems: They can fight back and the people that matter, CCP do not agree with your flawed definition.

Conclusion: HTFU

The blame lies with the summer of rage and the number of PVE updates. Its funny how the most successful upsurge just happened to be when they did a pvp update. Its also no coincidence that when you add to high and low sec pvp that more people will do high sec and low sec pvp.

However the biggest problem here is that high sec ganks are only rampant on the forums. The chances of being ganked in high sec are tiny. At the hight of our frighter ganking we were killing far less than 1% of all frieghter shipping.

The rush I get from being ganked in my retriever is worth it. Removing non-consensual PVP from hisec is at best a poor decision. If this has to do only with wardecs then revamp or improve that system.

I mine with my alt quite a bit and have been ganked numerous times and never got mad about it (well maybe the first time). In the end however it had made a decision for me. I set up an alt and started ganking others to try it out. It isn't my thing but it is fun as hell. What it did show me is how I can make it harder to be ganked.

Getting people to do things they wouldn't normally do because of an action taken by someone else is the best type of experience in a game.

Removing that removes the better parts of Eve.


PS: Another thought is each faction could have newbie systems that are pvp free. Once you pass a time/security threshold you cannot enter the newbie systems. This could let newbie's breathe a bit and do the initial learning that they in fact need.

I like how you instantly think that anything anti-PvP means Eve will turn into WoW. You should avoid extreme's if you want to be taken seriously and not as a puppeted troll account for another predatory pvper. Eve has lasted long by staying small to an extent, but one can infer that such a plan can't be sustained indefinitely. It's a business, businesses need to expand to survive and compete, otherwise they risk being out maneuvered by a competitor they didn't see coming. More players, more capital, more expansions for both PvE'ers AND PvP'ers (Balancing things AND adding shiny content).

It's foolish to assume that because I don't have an 80 page market analysis report ready on the state of the gaming public that your statement is fact.


This is continued growth yes, but not enough to sustain a business that needs to adapt. Take a few business classes or read a bit more. That is growth, but very, VERY minimal growth for a game that's been running for ten years. You think this will continue for another 10? I can already see a subtle decline over the past few months on average versus growth we've seen years before.



If both parties are capable of fighting then no it isn't, you're right. I.E. the nul block wars. But to me, a 50 man griefer group attacking a 3 man miner corp because they don't like miners is. My problem isn't with PvP, it's the toxic attitude or predatory "PvP" that has grown in this community. Grown to the point that I just stopped playing Eve and PvPing for a while period. PvP used to be fun, war decs and all. Nul AND highsec PvP was great. Now high sec pvp is just bullying. I'd go back to nul sec but hey, got a job now, fiance, a life.


See above.


And as I said, it's foolish to think that said growth (minimal growth at that) can continue this way for ANOTHER 10 years.

No, I disagree. It has been a while since the release of Incarna. The numbers should be climbing and not further declining. We have seen quite a few good game changes since then.

I'd say this game contains too many Goons, wouldn't you agree?

Actually they do which is why this topic we are in even exists. CCP knows they can't keep letting the gankers run off new people and they know they have a mob of veteran fanatics to deal with. The choice is clear, throw the die hard old vets under the bus and cater to the new players. Why? The old vets will grumble and won't go to WOW, but the young people will go play a competitors game. Just ask the American republican party what happens when you let the die hard fringe elements fly the ship. Evolve or die.

If eve turns into a theme park I'm done.

That's not a "QQ WAAAAAAAAAAA I R NO PLAY TOYZ EXITING PRAM" comment.

I started playing eve because it's a sandbox and I get to do what I want and set my own goals. If things turn into a theme park and I all there is is to following along and repeat the same 5 quests over and over again, ala wow.

I'll just go find something else to do, as depressing as that is.