Ships & Modules

Armour tanking works fine for PvE. The two top battleships for PvE are both shield tankers though.

The issues with armour tanking only really matter for PvP, and those issues are usually presented in a manner that is completely one sided and fallacious.

If you want to armour tank for PvE, you will be able to do so and be quite competitive. You just wont be the very tippy-top of min-maxing efficiency.

The navy domi, nightmare, vargur and mach all shield tank (at least if you want them to be any good) and pretty much everything else is meh for missions. This is to be more or less expected though, given that ewar is of little use in pve and damage projection is much more useful.

To the OP: Shields have so many advantages that despite the fact that they only go up to LSEs they're still pretty much on par with armor tanking in buffer fits. This becomes more obvious as you start looking up ship fittings, and notice that, particularly among the smaller ships, anything with more than 3 mids tends to shield tank.

Active tanking is another issue altogether, and shields need a nerf in that area (or better yet armor needs a buff, active tanking has been rather lackluster for a while now)

I said that shield tanks are on par with armor tanks, not that they have the same EHP. What you lose in EHP on armor you gain in damage + passive regen. The speed difference is also something you can't neglect. Your dual 1600 triple trimark abaddon moves a whopping 671 m/s with its MWD on, and 98m/s with it off. You took one of the biggest brick tanked ships in the game, slapped the biggest brick tank you could fit on it, then laughed and said "see, armor makes a better brick tank than shields!"

Have a look at eve-kills top 20 page, the top 2 ships are both shield buffer ships, and 9 of the top 20 are mainly shield buffer fit (with only 4 being mainly armor fit, and the rest being used with both)

Shield tanking isn't better in terms of raw buffer, but it is still just as good as a form of tanking, because you gain a lot from what you lose in raw EHP. If you need more evidence of this you need only look at gallente, whose slot layouts, and often times bonuses, are geared towards armor tanking, but who more often than not shield tank.

What's your fit look like for that Abaddon.



Edit: Corrected the source of the quote.

I hull tank my Kestrel.

But now something more about topic: IF they removed distinctions between Shield and Armor tanking that would RUIN the game, because when everything is the same, everything is s***.

So stop complaining.

Please provide me with good Navy Domi shieldfit. I have no idea what to do with my omnidirectionals in such a fit. One, two, none. Also not sure what to put in low slots as I don't think a fourth drone damage amplifier is the way to go.

It's called trollweed, and it starts to grow in your head if you read these forums long enough.

So many people seem to forget that armor buffer needs to be bigger as a heavy armor tank turns your ship into a brick, very slow and very easy to hit. Plus armor does not regenerate like shields do.

Take for example the ever OP Drake. It can fit a shield buffer up to about 100k ehp. But what makes it such a beast is that with such a huge buffer it can get over 200hp/s regen. That is equal to an X-large booster running non stop without the cap requirements. It only takes a little over 8 minutes for it to regen 100,000hp. So if the fight lasts 8 minutes you effectively have 200k ehp.

Sure an armor tank can get well over 100k ehp, but there is no regen on that. For active tanked fits armor repairers are slower than Shield boosters, plus there is no X-large armor repairer mod.

If they are going to add an X-large Shield extender then they better also add a X-large armor repairer, and make armor regenerate.

The only advantage armor tanking has is for PVP, and only because it makes it much easier to fit tackle mods.

Shields are already better than armor for most situations, aside from cap warfare. Even suggesting that armor tanking is OP shows a complete lack of knowledge in this game.

This and also +10 Cambarus.