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Collective front launched against the New Order, James315 and miner bumping.

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Emperor Crash Zues
Guns N'Ore
#521 - 2013-01-16 14:42:58 UTC
Singular Snowflake wrote:
Emperor Crash Zues wrote:

I would like to see this proof of all this as I'm sure others would as well. Maybe we would be more willing to accept your actions if you actually provided proof for once. All we have seen are wrecks of comrades and innocent miners and extortion demands with more violence when noncompliance is an issue. Where is the proof of there wrong doing, these criminal actions. If you can not provide this proof then you and the NO are no different then criminals you say you are attacking.


Please provide us a few killmails where we have attacked innocent code-compliant miners. There must be dozens of them on the internet as you seem so sure we are constantly doing it.

Your failure to produce such evidence is all the proof we need. The wrecks of your botting friends will continue to litter the icefields.

ah except for the fact that your the ones's saying they are criminals to begin with. Therefore the burden of proof lies with you and your people to prove your so called just cause. And another thing why should we conform to this code, when we do just fine on our own.
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#522 - 2013-01-16 15:27:47 UTC
Vaeliel wrote:
I take issue with the notion that Saruman would be piloting a mining barge personally.

You're quite right, we don't literally believe that we're blowing up Saruman. Merely that AFK miners are similarly evil.

Emperor Crash Zues wrote:
I would like to see this proof of all this as I'm sure others would as well. Maybe we would be more willing to accept your actions if you actually provided proof for once. All we have seen are wrecks of comrades and innocent miners and extortion demands with more violence when noncompliance is an issue. Where is the proof of there wrong doing, these criminal actions. If you can not provide this proof then you and the NO are no different then criminals you say you are attacking.

The proof has been gone through many, many times before, but because we believe in complete transparency, I'll do it again.

The New Order blows up four different classes of criminal; botting miners, AFK miners, ATK non-Code-compliant miners and those who would protect any of the aforementioned miners.

Botters are obviously criminals. Nobody can deny that.

AFK miners are a little better than botters in that they only use the EVE client for their botting activity. They are clearly botters, however; a computer program harvests ice/ore for them while they're off doing something else. The difference is that they have to empty their holds themselves.

ATK non-Code-compliant miners are actually pretty similar to AFK miners; a computer program harvests ice while they do something else. Since they're there, however, they can't be actual bots, but they're definitely bot aspirants.

Someone who protects a criminal is just as criminal himself.

I hope that clears that up for you.
Agent Eunoli
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#523 - 2013-01-16 15:48:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Agent Eunoli
Dave Stark wrote:

no criminal flag = no crime.
they're not being batman, they're being the joker.

Super heroes, including Batman, find criminals and detain or interrupt their activities when the police force either cannot find them or are unable to do so. So, yes, the New Order acts exactly like super heroes.

CONCORD cannot find bots. CCP has to do that through constant vigilance and constant heroic effort on their part. They watch, monitor, and study the activities of players for bot-like behaviour and then because there are so many AFK miners they have to investigate each suspicious incident individually which takes up a lot of time.

The New Order of Highsec realizes this and we act in unison and support of CCP by disrupting bot-like behaviour in the short term while CCP can continue to investigate. I, personally, believe that CCP catches almost every single botter in the game eventually but it's that eventually which is still problematic. What we do is step in, like super heroes, and disrupt the activities in the short term while allowing CCP the time to complete their investigation.

We only target those who are breaking the Code. The Code is the law in Highsec since the New Order of Highsec has authority throughout all of Highsec.

Players who act like bots are a bane to all miners and since we cannot tell the difference ourselves we target them as well.

How can we tell if someone is not a bot aspirant? That's easy, they have a mining permit and follow the Code. The Code is the perfect vehicle to stopping mining bots in Highsec. Anyone who is against the Code is, therefore, clearly for bots and against CCP. I find that very unfortunate but then people are allowed to have their own opinions.

In the meantime we will continue our struggle to do what we can to improve the game for active miners in highsec by helping out CCP and providing content for everyone. By any standard, including the misguided "resistance," we are a net benefit to Highsec in terms of entertainment value, good works, and content.

We, the New Order of Highsec, embody the spirit of EVE.

Cinematic HD EVE Movies: http://www.youtube.com/user/EveEunoli/
Dave Stark
#524 - 2013-01-16 16:14:49 UTC
Agent Eunoli wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:

no criminal flag = no crime.
they're not being batman, they're being the joker.

Super heroes, including Batman, find criminals and detain or interrupt their activities when the police force either cannot find them or are unable to do so. So, yes, the New Order acts exactly like super heroes.


except concord are omnipotent so that means the new order are just ******* morons \o/
Alana Charen-Teng
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#525 - 2013-01-16 16:24:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Alana Charen-Teng
Dave Stark wrote:
Agent Eunoli wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:

no criminal flag = no crime.
they're not being batman, they're being the joker.

Super heroes, including Batman, find criminals and detain or interrupt their activities when the police force either cannot find them or are unable to do so. So, yes, the New Order acts exactly like super heroes.


except concord are omnipotent so that means the new order are just ******* morons \o/


We are demonstrably better than CONCORD at keeping the peace and enforcing the Code (the law of the land), so we're more like superheroes than morons! We're like the A-Team combined with the Avengers, set to an amazing soundtrack composed by Howard Shore!
Agent Eunoli
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#526 - 2013-01-16 16:25:36 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:

except concord are omnipotent so that means the new order are just ******* morons \o/

CONCORD is not omnipotent when it comes to enforcing the EULA. CONCORD enforces a subset of law within Highsec but it cannot enforce the EULA. As such, CONCORD fails at detecting and catching bots although botting is clearly against the EULA. Clearly, you are wrong.

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Singular Snowflake
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#527 - 2013-01-16 18:33:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Singular Snowflake
Emperor Crash Zues wrote:

ah except for the fact that your the ones's saying they are criminals to begin with. Therefore the burden of proof lies with you and your people to prove your so called just cause. And another thing why should we conform to this code, when we do just fine on our own.


Yes, before we arrived in these systems they were usually full of totally silent "miners" toiling away 23/7 in the belts. I can see how you and your "innocent" friends did just fine on your own.

It is funny how none of the hundreds of honest hard-working permit-holders have anything negative to say about us. It makes one wonder why certain people are so against us fighting the botters. Well, there is one rational explanation..
KillaMcgee
Cluelix
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#528 - 2013-01-16 19:20:07 UTC  |  Edited by: KillaMcgee
Dear Miners, fit a plate & Damage Control if you don't want to be blown up. Seriously think about it; the cost for you to remove 2 mining laser upgrades and add the dc and plate to your barges will be far cheaper than getting your barge repeatedly blown up. My second bit of advice is to learn the game mechanics... (see security levels concord response times) learn that and laugh when you hear about some 'seasoned veterans' of the mining profession get blown up. Sorry guys but this is a game, play it how you want, but dont expect hisec to be the pve areas like wow cities are... HTFU.

or you can just pay up and ignore the advice... or fit a thrasher and help the cause... just sayin'
Singular Snowflake
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#529 - 2013-01-16 20:20:34 UTC
KillaMcgee wrote:

or you can just pay up and ignore the advice... or fit a thrasher and help the cause... just sayin'


Getting the mining permit is indeed the cheapest and safest tank there is and it does not even require you to train any skills!
Vaeliel
Slander Acquisitions
#530 - 2013-01-16 22:45:16 UTC
Alana Charen-Teng wrote:
We are demonstrably better than CONCORD at keeping the peace and enforcing the Code (the law of the land), so we're more like superheroes than morons! We're like the A-Team combined with the Avengers, set to an amazing soundtrack composed by Howard Shore!


Confirming that objectively the New Order are far more effective at enforcing their Code than CONCORD are.
Emperor Crash Zues
Guns N'Ore
#531 - 2013-01-16 23:09:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Emperor Crash Zues
Singular Snowflake wrote:
Emperor Crash Zues wrote:

ah except for the fact that your the ones's saying they are criminals to begin with. Therefore the burden of proof lies with you and your people to prove your so called just cause. And another thing why should we conform to this code, when we do just fine on our own.


Yes, before we arrived in these systems they were usually full of totally silent "miners" toiling away 23/7 in the belts. I can see how you and your "innocent" friends did just fine on your own.

It is funny how none of the hundreds of honest hard-working permit-holders have anything negative to say about us. It makes one wonder why certain people are so against us fighting the botters. Well, there is one rational explanation..


Its not fighting the botts I have them problem with, but you assuming people are bots just cause they don't talk and / or you

assume they're guilty, and the fact i must bust buy a permit to mine in peace. I refuse to be extorted just so you guys can feed your

superiority complex's and feed your self-righteous egos.
Lin Suizei
#532 - 2013-01-16 23:32:06 UTC
Emperor Crash Zues wrote:
A lesson in the usage of the Return key, by Emperor Crash Zues


Let me get this straight - you're going to put your mining barge at increased risk of bumping and/or ganking (ie. reducing your ability to mine peacefully), all over a paltry sum of 10M ISK.

I think it's you who has an ego issue.

Lol I can't delete my forum sig.
Emperor Crash Zues
Guns N'Ore
#533 - 2013-01-17 00:43:16 UTC
Lin Suizei wrote:
Emperor Crash Zues wrote:
A lesson in the usage of the Return key, by Emperor Crash Zues


Let me get this straight - you're going to put your mining barge at increased risk of bumping and/or ganking (ie. reducing your ability to mine peacefully), all over a paltry sum of 10M ISK.

I think it's you who has an ego issue.

My barge is at risk regardless of whether I buy a permit or not and I'm not seeing anywhere where they are offering to guard me while I mine. And yes my pride and freedom driven ego prevents me from bowing to oppression of a normally free activity.
Eyana Starstruck
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#534 - 2013-01-17 00:52:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Eyana Starstruck
Well hello there my little pawns. Cool (I bet that James thinks that each time he logs in and sees you guys online on your disposable alts) I see you are quite active in this thread as well trying to defend your extortion actions.

Can't wait to read the egoistic, glorifying, divine and so on arguments on how you are heroes, or well I would reckon sidekicks is more suited for you guys since you only follow orders (but hey that's what mercs do no?), of the high sec. Big smile Can't wait to get up tomorrow and read all these posts of yours, will have lots of giggles reading them. Big smile

Well see you all tomorrow, just can't wait... Big smile

Nighty night. /kiss
Runeme Shilter
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#535 - 2013-01-17 01:05:34 UTC
Eyana Starstruck wrote:
Well hello there my little pawns. Cool (I bet that James thinks that each time he logs in and sees you guys online on your disposable alts) I see you are quite active in this thread as well trying to defend your extortion actions.


Your definition of "disposable" seems to be flawed. Granted, english is not my native language but in my world, "disposable alt" does not mean "alternative character created for ganking".

If you have any proof for your claim that we are using disosable alts and biomass them after they reached a certain secstatus/reputation/whatever, please file a petition - as that would be against the EULA.

Quote:
Nighty night. /kiss


Nighty night!

RS
Lin Suizei
#536 - 2013-01-17 01:14:20 UTC
Emperor Crash Zues wrote:
Because of my ego, I prefer to place my mining efficiency at risk, when I could mine peacefully by paying 10M ISK and following some simple rules.

Lol I can't delete my forum sig.
Emperor Crash Zues
Guns N'Ore
#537 - 2013-01-17 02:00:57 UTC
Lin Suizei wrote:
Emperor Crash Zues wrote:
Because of my ego, I prefer to place my mining efficiency at risk, when I could mine peacefully by paying 10M ISK and following some simple rules.
wow thats pathetic when you have to change what a person says. show's how sad you guys really are lol
Alana Charen-Teng
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#538 - 2013-01-17 02:06:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Alana Charen-Teng
Emperor Crash Zues wrote:
Lin Suizei wrote:
Emperor Crash Zues wrote:
Because of my ego, I prefer to place my mining efficiency at risk, when I could mine peacefully by paying 10M ISK and following some simple rules.
i'm butthurt
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#539 - 2013-01-17 02:44:36 UTC
I am joining the cause of the New Halaima Code of Conduct, this a a worthy endeavor to log into the actual game for Bear

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny
Syaran
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#540 - 2013-01-17 02:51:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Syaran
In this thread, delicious miner tears.

If all you miners are so angry that you're getting killed, why not do something about it? This is EVE, you have a wealth of options at your disposal. You could organise yourselves to safeguard you from getting ganked, you could mine somewhere else, hell, you might even consider actually fitting a combat ship and putting up some sort of an actual fight.

This is EVE, the 'cardinal rule' of this game is never to undock what you cannot afford to lose and this 'rule' is there for a reason: nowhere in EVE are you ever safe unless you're safely docked up in a station. High-sec space is not safe, it's just 'safer'. This game was made to have a large variety of ways to play it but none of them is more valid than the other. Suicide ganking is also a part of EVE. If you want to minimise the chances of you getting killed in your mining boat, pay attention to local, have friends with you to check the gates and see if any suspicious people might be entering your system, etc. Works well enough for players in other parts of space...

And for those who are doubting that suicide ganking is also a part of EVE, if they wanted to CCP could prevent it easily enough, they could simply make it so that players in high-sec are invulnerable except to war targets and people they steal from and the likes. Suicide ganking has been a part of this game since the beginning, if CCP wanted to fix it, don't you think they would have done it by now?