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This took me far too long to read, largely in part due to the painful eyebleed white background.

Suggestions for future meeting notes:

Condensed (No more than 5 page) Version
Off-white background colour, be it slate, dusty yellow, or some other less visually damaging background
Less mention of Ponies.



Many interesting points to read, but it really does highlight a lot of CSM, and general player frustrations along the lines of, CCP says X Y and Z are being planned, then A B and C are released, X and Y aren't mentioned again for a year, and Z is scrapped/ too hard.

That, and you can see the obvious closed minded blunt thinking occasionally from a couple of the devs, that has resulted in previous playerbase anger.

I would say it wasn't a bad read, but my eyes hurt now, and there was way too much filler.

CSM doods: What ship redesigns were you shown?


And I'll summarize the important part of the minutes:

CCP: "LULZ. YOU THOUGHT WE WERE REDOING POSES. LULZ."

So, basically, a nice FU there.

This is where CCP comes into the thread and pretends they haven't been raising our hopes on modular POSes the last year and that it was all in our heads.

POSes affect almost everyone in game either directly or indirectly (t2 materials anyone?). The UIs are buggy, industry at POSes is a ballache, they are practically compulsory in w-space. Please don't overlook them!

Alright, I just rushed through the minutes scanning for "POS"

I'm sorry but I can't keeping myself from sharing an idea:

Let's assume that CCP intends to start changing the way POSes work (would fit other subjects as well but not all).
E.g. let's start with a modular POS.
The POS itself would consist of other modules then the current ones.
So you might be able to have both kinds of POSes at the same time for a while.

It has been done before, remember the fuel block introduction.
This way you could start tweaking up the new POSes without breaking the current ones.
And that could be reiterated within several expansions and the last one disabling the old POSes
(possibly transforming them into their new counterpart).

My 2 cents, although you might already have them


Before I forget, a little self advertisement of some ideas

That's only true if the eve code wasn't a steaming pile of apeshit.

I don't care what they do to the POS or the management system as long as they do something. The same thing with Corporation management.

The system is unacceptable, affects everyone and every part of the game. Yet it is too large to address?

Give me a break. We pay you to design a game, not find the easy things to fix and leave the large things a total mess.

A small part of the community? Really?

Every wormhole corporation and alliance reside in a POS. Most every corp within EVE probably has a POS at some place in the Universe. And you have the audacity to say it is a small part of the community?

Sure maybe those that manage the POS's is a small percent of the community, but those that are affected are by and large the entire community,.

As an industry focused player, and former wormhole occupant for several years I find the news of starbases a huge disappointment, and certainly feel the community was misled.

Then I had to Google "radial menu", and gasped in disgust.

Kudos to the CSM and CCP for getting the minutes out quickly.

That is the impression that we all got.

Dissapointing.

We'll see what CCP intends to tackle instead of POSes, I'll doubt it could have as positive an impact as a well done scalable (incl. personal) POS system.

there isn't exactly a thread on the change in direction re:modular POSs and they're spread throughout the minutes, so I'm going to stand here on my soapbox and yell into the wind, and hope someone pays attention

I feel like CCP have been hinting/teasing/hoping about 'meaningful change' in regards to POSs since...i dunno when. I feel like 'forever', but who really knows. To see CCP back down/wimp out from it again because it's 'too hard' is very distressing. Not to mention the very irritating catch-22 in which CCP refuses to update POSs because 'nobody uses them', yet everyone tells CCP that nobody uses them because they absolutely suck to use. I do somewhat understand the concern that it's too big for one expansion. I get that. You can't spend six months burning on POS code and doing nothing else, either.

Here's what I'll suggest: let's break things down into meaningful chunks, and make it an 18month/2 year project. Build the new POS system slowly as a 'farms and fields' conflict driver in all levels of space; eg, you anchor the new towers at certain beacons/exploration sites to seize control of them and provide resources/abilities, and keep the old system roughly the same until the new system is full featured enough to feasibly replace it.

Start out doing something simple for summer 2013 (small POSs anchored directly attached to comets, mining for moongoo - no guns or anything too complex, think something like a POCO), but expand iteratively from there over time to new areas while working on reimplementing POS functionality alongside this. Maybe you add med towers, reactors, guns, corp storage, and mooring in winter 2013; maybe large towers, industry, labs, reprocessing, market, contracts, and moon anchoring in summer 2014; and maybe the full system can be replaced by winter 2014 with full docking/captains quarters, forcefields, etc.

I know, I see an ISD even closed a perfectly legit thread in GD about POSs and said to post this in the proper thread. Just where is the proper thread? Should it go in fixing nullsec (well it affects all aspects of Eve). Should it get buried in a vague thread about the next ten years?