Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hard caps don't belong in this game and can be worked around anyway. All that would need to happen is people starting their own supercap organizations with the intent of circumventing the limits. Not to mention there are already multiple organizations who would be forced to kick their members to comply with the limit. It's a stupid idea and isn't worth wasting CCPs time with.

Mass limits will just increase the amount of logistics needed to move large fleets around. This isn't bad, but be aware that it works both ways and won't alter the effectiveness of supers. While they have a limit on how many supers they can drop on you, you're unlikely to be able to counter them with your own reinforcements. They also have stronger logistic arms, so they can also out cyno you. This is more of a power projection limitation then anything else.

Jump timers will increase the risk of deployment and slow down their movement. It won't change their effectiveness either and is again mostly a power projection limitation, that also adds risks to their use. This won't change the OP nature of supers in any way either. The problem is, that as long as you ignore the actual "problem" it isn't going to be fixed. If that problem is super cap effectiveness in combat, then that is the thing that needs rebalancing. Making moving them around harder just limits their offensive uses and reigns in power projection. That might not be a bad thing, but it also isn't a solution to the problem you present.

The only real solution is to try to reach a balance where no amount of any one ship type can become a I-win button no matter how many of them you gather in one fleet. We actually don't know how CCP plans to address this with supers, since they said specifically, that the previous supercap nerf was a temporary measure to hold them until the ship rebalancing effort reaches them. Your fears are not warranted though, because there will never be a time when supers rule all null combat, since CCP will change them to non-combat ships before allowing them to destroy the game to that extent.

The damage of supercap proliferation has already been done years ago. Hard caps don't work, as there are easy ways to get around those (making multiple alliances as example). No matter how low or high you make those hard caps btw. Supercarriers are not I-WIN buttons anymore since the rebalance and being hotdropped by somebody makes you feel stupid if its either 50 Hurricanes or 10 Nyx, but no game mechanic could prevent that. The current state of coalitions in null already established safe OOG comms and if you just put each corp in an alliance wouldn't prevent anything. Mass per cyno doesn't matter either as they are easy ways to get around those too. First cyno with a bomber, second with the 5 HIC that were bridged which light 5 cynos for 5 carriers that light cynos and so on. Hey we light cynos with supercarriers and titans if needed today already.

There are plenty of alliances and players that like massive fights that happen once or twice each year with a now-stable server for even 2000+ people in one system. Don't limit other players because you think it is not e-honor alike.

Hard caps on things like alliances or fleets are useless. You can't make game mechanics that stop people from being friends. They will simply use 3rd party voice chat, etc. to communicate with other alliances and fleets, and still function for all practical purposes as one fleet/alliance.

Hard caps on the number of some type of ship that can be on a grid WOULD work to solve the literal problem, but would cause way more problems in return, and would make the game feel cheap and nerfy.

Funny. I see the same thing being done with T3s, Battle-cruisers and Battleships when taking on a single target.

Not much to do but bring a bigger group of t3s, BCs and BSs.

And we know sub cap proliferation makes those few thousand supers look like an insignificant spec on a pie chart if the numbers were ever tallied...

So lets put a hard cap on fleet size...

Limit the number of sub caps an alliance can have....

And a mass limit on star gates... can't have power projection with sub cap blobs ruining our game by instantly traveling from 1 gate to a next...

Seriously Dude... go hang.

Yea you do but! they can only be dropped instantly on a target because of supers, if they are coming in from a gate then the smaller group has a chance to run,

in the current form supers are not being used in big 2000+ man fleets, they are being dropped on single people and small groups for ganks.... what is the counter other than "don't fly in low/null or dont engage that lone cruiser as it might have a cyno" - what rubbish that's what's going to kill this game... no wonder people wont leave highsec....

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=194759 <- better supercap nerf suggestion than yours :), limiting supercaps in fleet/alliance/corp wont have any effect as they will just be multiple fleets/alliances/corps then...

I am suggesting a change to the ewar immunity, to allow ewar to be used against supercaps and even sieged dreads and triaged carriers... but at a effectiveness of only 10%... this would allow enough subcaps to be even more effective than they already are against capitals and supercapitals... the ewar immunity is one of the biggest strenghts of them if you ask me....

In my post I do a little number crunching to show how it's not too big a nerf, but would change the battlefield alot vs supercaps

Now that is more like it,

my suggestion was just a suggestion.....

but clearly something needs to change from its current state. The Ewar idea is good, (see one post of mine further up!)

Your point is still mute because it takes that SC ages to target your BS.

And 95% of the counter proposals out there just want to make frigates and other sub capitals I-win buttons against supers who can no longer even target your small ass, never mind eat you alive.

No.

Delete cynos, give Capitals new super e-war modules to lock them down and hurt them.

Extend invalid targeting to sub caps trying to lock supers.

Problem solved.

A Super does not take ages to lock a cruiser.... I watched supers drop a t3 in under a min this included targeting time.....

im confused at the rest of your suggestion.....

I have no problems with this. Except the BS. Why every new ship in Eve has to be a Battleships is just beyond me. I think we have enough of those by now to be honest.

But hen you dont get to cry about capitals designed to take out sub-caps either.

Everything has a counter in Eve. And if it doesn't, it will eventually.