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Have I screwed up? Data Center Missions

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Ididom Spiralflight
Angelic CO
#1 - 2013-01-16 22:05:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Ididom Spiralflight
I spent the better part of two days reading up on the Data Center missions. I failed to see the most important sentence in the whole wiki. "Please note: ISK payments, Faction and Corporation Standing increase will vary due to level of Social skills."


So before this I had wanted to place a pos in highsec for research and invention. I had debated for a week on if I was going to buy a standings corp but being as I wanted to start off with a small pos and move up from there I decided to get the standings myself because I didn't want to have to buy a standings corp every time I wanted a pos.


So I bought my tags and did the missions. I went from 0.46 to 2.62 standings ( unbonused ) with Caldari and spent about 350 mill on the tags.

My skills are
Social lvl 3
Negotiation lvl 3
Connections lvl 3
Diplomacy lvl 2


2.62 faction standings is a freakin long way off from being able to put a pos up and being as I can only haul or mine can you imagine how long that would take? This being my alt I know about EVE and I don't let much bother me but this standings crap has got me down and out about the game and if I'm gonna have to grind standings for 6 months I'm just going to give up on it and transfer this character to my main account and quit training him. I know there has to be something I can do as there are so many poses in high sec already...



Thanks
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2013-01-16 23:47:08 UTC
There are people who offer services to gain standings for you or they join your corp, put up pos and leave... just google for them
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-01-16 23:56:43 UTC
Cage Man wrote:
There are people who offer services to gain standings for you or they join your corp, put up pos and leave... just google for them


Faction standing gain from storylines cannot be shared in fleet. They can help you gain the corp standing to run missions if you don't already have access, but after that, you're on your own.

Connections give a flat % boost to standing. Social and Negotiation give % increase in standing gain per mission done.

Datacenters alone will never be enough to let you anchor POS.

Gain standing to a corp first, then do missions for the storyline per 16 missions. Couriers work best if your combat skill is low, as the 16 missions per storyline is the same no matter what type.

The lvl1 SOE epic arc gives ~9% standing gain for faction of your choice. Career missions also give a small % faction gain.

Smaller factions (Khanid, etc) standing increase faster than larger factions (Amar, etc).
Ididom Spiralflight
Angelic CO
#4 - 2013-01-17 01:12:22 UTC
Thanks for the advise so far. As stated I don't think buying a corp with standings is a good idea for someone that plans to do this long term as moving and adding poses would be impossible. I think for now I will train up my related skills and run as many missions as possible. Then do the data centers for amarr to try to gain some caldari standings. Doing the Caldari data centers gave me almost a 1.0 increase in Amarr standings so I can only hope that doing the Amarr data centers will give me 1.0 in caldari as well.


I never expected the data centers to get me to 5.0 standings alone or else everyone would be doing it. I just expected to be closer than half way there.


I have also heard that doing the lvl 3 missions was faster than lvl 4 for grinding standings? I imagine especially with courier missions this would be true as I can do several at a time and fit all the mission items in one trip. Does anyone know if I should focus just on lvl 3s. I don't need isk or LP really. Just want to gain standings as fast as possible.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-01-17 03:01:16 UTC
Well, Amarr and Ammatar share Data Centers so there's more agents available which will give you more positive derived standings. Also yes, completing level 3 Distribution missions will definitely net you more Storyline mission offers. Don't be surprised if those end up being combat though.

Usually I just link 'The Plan' and be done with it. It seems you're just looking at being positive with Caldari and allied Factions to anchor POS in high sec systems. That should make it much easier since you don't really have to worry about keeping the other unfriendly Factions positive. Also sounds like you've already completed all of the Caldari Data Center Agents.

Anyway, Social skill should definitely be trained up to level 5 asap since that increases the amount of standing gained for completing missions.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Social

I would suggest after training up Social skill, complete the level 1 SoE Epic Arc for Caldari (can be completed every 3 months for +8.75% Faction standing gain with Social level 5 trained). However, since it requires travel in all Empire space, will have to watch the negative Faction standings later in the future (Diplomacy).

After the level 1 SoE arc, complete all the level 1 event agents listed in the first part of 'The Plan' (Career, Circle, Data Center and Cosmos) for both Caldari and Amarr (most Amarr Cosmos Agents are chained so not much help till level 3).

Then concentrate on the rest of the level 2 Data Center Agents and work on up if needed.

Can also check out the Cosmos guides and run some of the level 2 Cosmos Agents that mainly offer courier/trade missions. Most of the required items to retrieve in the encounter missions can be bought from public contracts and regional markets. Since this is your alt, your main character (and friends) can do all the actual combat / ship kills when needed. I doubt you would actually need to do level 3 Cosmos agents.

Anyway, it shouldn't take very long and now you have another few options to consider instead of just giving up.

Good luck to you.


DMC
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-01-17 04:13:47 UTC
Ididom Spiralflight wrote:
Thanks for the advise so far. As stated I don't think buying a corp with standings is a good idea for someone that plans to do this long term as moving and adding poses would be impossible. I think for now I will train up my related skills and run as many missions as possible. Then do the data centers for amarr to try to gain some caldari standings. Doing the Caldari data centers gave me almost a 1.0 increase in Amarr standings so I can only hope that doing the Amarr data centers will give me 1.0 in caldari as well.


I never expected the data centers to get me to 5.0 standings alone or else everyone would be doing it. I just expected to be closer than half way there.


I have also heard that doing the lvl 3 missions was faster than lvl 4 for grinding standings? I imagine especially with courier missions this would be true as I can do several at a time and fit all the mission items in one trip. Does anyone know if I should focus just on lvl 3s. I don't need isk or LP really. Just want to gain standings as fast as possible.


Lvl4s give far larger standing boost than lvl3s. I do lvl4s exclusively when grinding standing for clients. If your combat skill is low (taking half an hour to do a lvl4), lvl3s can be faster. Consult mission reports for blitzing tips. http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReports
Deathan Taxxis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-01-17 09:11:26 UTC
Storylines give the same faction increase regardless of if you got it through 16 level 4 missions or 16 level one missions. If you want faction standings quickly, grind level 1s.

For Caldari, Top Down Factory in Umokka has 6 level 1 agents in the same station. A decent Destroyer or Cruiser will burn through those 6 in minutes (plus however long it takes you to jump systems when needed, most missions were in the same system). Storylines every hour or so.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#8 - 2013-01-17 13:30:37 UTC
Ididom Spiralflight wrote:
Thanks for the advise so far. As stated I don't think buying a corp with standings is a good idea for someone that plans to do this long term as moving and adding poses would be impossible. I think for now I will train up my related skills and run as many missions as possible. Then do the data centers for amarr to try to gain some caldari standings. Doing the Caldari data centers gave me almost a 1.0 increase in Amarr standings so I can only hope that doing the Amarr data centers will give me 1.0 in caldari as well.


I never expected the data centers to get me to 5.0 standings alone or else everyone would be doing it. I just expected to be closer than half way there.


I have also heard that doing the lvl 3 missions was faster than lvl 4 for grinding standings? I imagine especially with courier missions this would be true as I can do several at a time and fit all the mission items in one trip. Does anyone know if I should focus just on lvl 3s. I don't need isk or LP really. Just want to gain standings as fast as possible.

Level 4 mining missions give similar standings gain to level 4 security missions and are much faster to complete. Provided you have a retriever/Mack.

Connections skill is a big boost but will not help you anchor a POS as corporate standings use your base standings before the skill modification.

The tutorial missions give a big faction boost. regardless of what race your character is you can run the tutorials for all races. all the tutorial missions and career agents are storyline missions. Well worth doing and very fast.

The level 1 and level 2 cosmos missions are combat but really easy, even with low skills. Some give you several % faction boost per agent. You can even buy the items off contracts for most of the combat portions of the missions.

if you decide to grind missions, even distribution ones, the connections skill can help you get into higher level agents much faster. The % gain from connections is a percentage of the 7.38 you have left to go, not the 2.62 you already have. So it gives maximum benefit the lower your standings are.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-01-17 16:44:33 UTC  |  Edited by: sabre906
Deathan Taxxis wrote:
Storylines give the same faction increase regardless of if you got it through 16 level 4 missions or 16 level one missions. If you want faction standings quickly, grind level 1s.

For Caldari, Top Down Factory in Umokka has 6 level 1 agents in the same station. A decent Destroyer or Cruiser will burn through those 6 in minutes (plus however long it takes you to jump systems when needed, most missions were in the same system). Storylines every hour or so.


Absolutely false. Storylines range from lvls 1-5 to match regular missions. Each lvl and each faction runs on their separate 16 mission queues. In other words, if you run 15 lvl1s, then 1 lvl4, you won't get a lvl4 storyline. You will get a lvl1 storyline after 1 more lvl1, and a lvl4 storyline after 15 more lvl4s.

Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Ididom Spiralflight wrote:
Thanks for the advise so far. As stated I don't think buying a corp with standings is a good idea for someone that plans to do this long term as moving and adding poses would be impossible. I think for now I will train up my related skills and run as many missions as possible. Then do the data centers for amarr to try to gain some caldari standings. Doing the Caldari data centers gave me almost a 1.0 increase in Amarr standings so I can only hope that doing the Amarr data centers will give me 1.0 in caldari as well.


I never expected the data centers to get me to 5.0 standings alone or else everyone would be doing it. I just expected to be closer than half way there.


I have also heard that doing the lvl 3 missions was faster than lvl 4 for grinding standings? I imagine especially with courier missions this would be true as I can do several at a time and fit all the mission items in one trip. Does anyone know if I should focus just on lvl 3s. I don't need isk or LP really. Just want to gain standings as fast as possible.

Level 4 mining missions give similar standings gain to level 4 security missions and are much faster to complete. Provided you have a retriever/Mack.

Connections skill is a big boost but will not help you anchor a POS as corporate standings use your base standings before the skill modification.

The tutorial missions give a big faction boost. regardless of what race your character is you can run the tutorials for all races. all the tutorial missions and career agents are storyline missions. Well worth doing and very fast.

The level 1 and level 2 cosmos missions are combat but really easy, even with low skills. Some give you several % faction boost per agent. You can even buy the items off contracts for most of the combat portions of the missions.

if you decide to grind missions, even distribution ones, the connections skill can help you get into higher level agents much faster. The % gain from connections is a percentage of the 7.38 you have left to go, not the 2.62 you already have. So it gives maximum benefit the lower your standings are.


A lvl4 mining missions asks for 45k m3 of useless mission ore. It'll take far longer to do than lvl4 combat missions, most of which can be done within a few minutes, some, seconds (Stop the Thief, Cargo delivery, Recon, Assault, etc). In addition, they give less standing gain than combat missions.

Consult mission guides for blitzing tips.
http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReportsLevel4

Tutorial missions do not give a big faction boost. They're lvl1s. They help, but don't go a long way. There were a brief period when they counted as lvl4s due to a bug, but that's long been fixed.

Cosmos help, but the lvl1s and 2s don't give large boosts. 4s often go into lowsec.

Connections give a flat % standing increase, of the difference between your current standing and perfect 10. More important are social and negotiation, which increase standing gain per mission.
Ididom Spiralflight
Angelic CO
#10 - 2013-01-18 14:37:08 UTC
Thanks guys for the replies, Since posting this I have ran 137 lvl 3 courier missions and my unbonused Caldari Standings went up exactly 1 point to 3.62. I found a station with 3 agents in it and I can carry all at once. That being said....I am just going to grind it out. After the weekend I am going to bring my main out of w-space and run SOE arc and I plan to buy the amarr data center tags and raise those standings too. Courier missions are way better than running any other type as you can pretty much do it while doing anything else.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#11 - 2013-01-18 18:41:49 UTC
you could also try the epic arc and use your main to do the heavy lifting.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-01-18 19:40:27 UTC
Ididom Spiralflight wrote:
Thanks guys for the replies, Since posting this I have ran 137 lvl 3 courier missions and my unbonused Caldari Standings went up exactly 1 point to 3.62. I found a station with 3 agents in it and I can carry all at once. That being said....I am just going to grind it out. After the weekend I am going to bring my main out of w-space and run SOE arc and I plan to buy the amarr data center tags and raise those standings too. Courier missions are way better than running any other type as you can pretty much do it while doing anything else.


Hope you're training up the Social skill. The extra increase added to standing gain really helps a lot.

After running the SoE epic arc for Caldari and doing the Amarr Data Center missions, instead of grinding reg missions for Storyline offers, just complete the level 1 Career, Circle and Cosmos Agents first for both Caldari and Amarr. They can be done very quickly and since you have your main character doing all the combat on the missions, you could also run the higher level cosmos agents.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#13 - 2013-01-18 19:40:41 UTC
Ididom Spiralflight wrote:
Thanks guys for the replies, Since posting this I have ran 137 lvl 3 courier missions and my unbonused Caldari Standings went up exactly 1 point to 3.62. I found a station with 3 agents in it and I can carry all at once. That being said....I am just going to grind it out. After the weekend I am going to bring my main out of w-space and run SOE arc and I plan to buy the amarr data center tags and raise those standings too. Courier missions are way better than running any other type as you can pretty much do it while doing anything else.

Have you run ALL the tutorial missions? I got one of my alts up over 2.0 faction from just running the tutorials, and it did not take long.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#14 - 2013-01-18 19:54:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Bugsy VanHalen
sabre906 wrote:

A lvl4 mining missions asks for 45k m3 of useless mission ore. It'll take far longer to do than lvl4 combat missions, most of which can be done within a few minutes, some, seconds (Stop the Thief, Cargo delivery, Recon, Assault, etc). In addition, they give less standing gain than combat missions.

Consult mission guides for blitzing tips.
http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReportsLevel4

Tutorial missions do not give a big faction boost. They're lvl1s. They help, but don't go a long way. There were a brief period when they counted as lvl4s due to a bug, but that's long been fixed.

Cosmos help, but the lvl1s and 2s don't give large boosts. 4s often go into lowsec.

Connections give a flat % standing increase, of the difference between your current standing and perfect 10. More important are social and negotiation, which increase standing gain per mission.


Tutorials do not give a huge faction boost, but they are all stroylines, and add up fast. the career agent ones as well. And they take literally minutes to do.

I used level 4 mining missions to get the standings up on two of my alts. With the social skills trained up to 4 I get 3,000-4,000 loyalty points per mission. Sure I ran them with my mining fleet 3 HULKS and an ORCA. Most took less than 5 minutes.

The real benefit was, for some reason I got all combat mission storylines giving 12-14% faction boost each time. Much faster faction boost then getting "materials for war" for the storylines. I had all 4 of my main toons in fleet, used my main combat toon to run the storyline missions, just changed up who was pulling the missions.

Data centers work well though. But you can only do them once per toon.

As said before msome of the lower level cosmos missions give big faction boosts for very little effort. Many are crap but some lvl 2 and 3 cosmos give 4-6% faction and take 5-10 minutes. You do not have to do them in order, you can go through the Cosmos guide, I use this one for caldari Cosmos 101 Just pick the ones you want and skip the rest. As long as you have the faction required to get the missions they will offer them to you. Most of the items are very easy to get, and if you buy them you don't even have to enter the complexes.

I got my main over 9.0 caldari faction And have not even run the level 4 cosmos missions yet.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-01-18 20:17:11 UTC
sabre906 wrote:


A lvl4 mining missions asks for 45k m3 of useless mission ore. It'll take far longer to do than lvl4 combat missions, most of which can be done within a few minutes, some, seconds (Stop the Thief, Cargo delivery, Recon, Assault, etc). In addition, they give less standing gain than combat missions.

Consult mission guides for blitzing tips.
http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReportsLevel4

Tutorial missions do not give a big faction boost. They're lvl1s. They help, but don't go a long way. There were a brief period when they counted as lvl4s due to a bug, but that's long been fixed.

Cosmos help, but the lvl1s and 2s don't give large boosts. 4s often go into lowsec.

Connections give a flat % standing increase, of the difference between your current standing and perfect 10. More important are social and negotiation, which increase standing gain per mission.


I somewhat disagree with you on this.

The op is mainly an industrial character, not combat so it's either Mining or Distribution Agents for grinding missions. Of the two, Mining missions will gain more standing but Distribution missions can be completed much quicker. Connections skill will help enable the player to access higher level agents much quicker, plain and simple.

However, Faction standing is what's needed here, a lot more than Corporation standing. Grinding out 16 regular missions to get 1 storyline mission will take a lot longer than running the Event Agents for Faction standing increase.

Every little bit of Faction standing increase counts and the whole idea is to gain it quickly. Completing all Caldari and Amarr Career, Circle, Data Center and Cosmos Agents level 1 and level 2 first will definitely help a lot, especially since they can be completed very quickly. Add in the SoE Epic Arc and the character should at least be close to +5, if not, he still has the higher level Cosmos Agents left to complete or can just do the regular 16 mission grind for Storyline offers.

I agree that Social and Negotiation skills are more important, especially the Social skill which definitely needs to be trained up first before even working on gaining Faction standing increase.


DMC
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#16 - 2013-01-18 21:07:54 UTC
Yes social skills are very important when working on your standings.
Connections gives you the biggest boost, but only helps with agent access, as the connections boost does not increase your base standings which is what corp standings are based off of. If you need faction to place a POS as the OP connections is of little benefit other than helping you access higher level agents sooner for faster gains.

The basic social skill, and advanced connections skills such as distribution connections, mining connections, and security connections help in that they increase the amount you get from each completion. security connection seem to affect the cosmos agents as I got higher faction boosts from all the cosmos missions than what was listed in the guide. There are some level 3 cosmos missions that give a 6-8% faction boost, while others give less than 1%. You can skip the lower reward ones if you want, but I find Cosmos the fastest Faction gain you can get.

S.O.E. epic arc can be run with minimal combat skills but takes some time. It gives I believe a 23% faction boost provided you choose the right options at each branch.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-01-18 22:15:55 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Yes social skills are very important when working on your standings.
Connections gives you the biggest boost, but only helps with agent access, as the connections boost does not increase your base standings which is what corp standings are based off of. If you need faction to place a POS as the OP connections is of little benefit other than helping you access higher level agents sooner for faster gains.

The basic social skill, and advanced connections skills such as distribution connections, mining connections, and security connections help in that they increase the amount you get from each completion. security connection seem to affect the cosmos agents as I got higher faction boosts from all the cosmos missions than what was listed in the guide. There are some level 3 cosmos missions that give a 6-8% faction boost, while others give less than 1%. You can skip the lower reward ones if you want, but I find Cosmos the fastest Faction gain you can get.

S.O.E. epic arc can be run with minimal combat skills but takes some time. It gives I believe a 23% faction boost provided you choose the right options at each branch.


Security/Distribution/Mining connections increase LP, not standing.
CausticS0da
Shrubbery Acquisitions
Blohm and Voss Shipyards Alliance
#18 - 2013-01-23 15:56:57 UTC
You can do the basic SOE arc for a nice standings boost once per three months.