Player Features and Ideas Discussion

probably cause they are doing it wrong. if u wanna dual screen mining, then a mack will reduce ur work load. if u want to get two friends together and mine efficiently, then hulks are good.

if hulk pilots use two hulks at once with the current ore hold, then increasing that ore hold will just try and make them use three. and then they'll complain that the hulk needs even MOAR ore hold to support their three hulks.

just use a mack like ur playstyle is suited to or get better at dual boxing

The problem with the Hulk is not the cargo space or the output. The problem is the lack of tank causing output to be dropped to avoid easy gank. When I build my setups I found the Skiff ended up with higher ore output because I had to spend too many modules on my Hulk putting in a bare bones tank.

What I'd like to see done is the Hulk have 20k EHP before any modules are put on the ship. Then you can max output and still not worry about a destroyer or two suicide ganking.

the hulk is fine, the issue is that the mackinaw obsoletes every other ship.

the hulk's extra yield does NOT compensate for the higher ehp and higher "don't have to pay attention" factor the mackinaw has.
the skiff's tank is COMPLETELY redundant when the mack has enough ehp to deter the vast majority of suicide gankers.

the very simple fact is that the mack and hulk's ehp should be swapped.
even from a logical standpoint, the mackinaw shouldn't have such good ehp, every cargo modification module in the game reduces ehp, yet some how the mining ship with the largest cargo capacity manages to also be in a considerable tank.

granted logic is irrelevant in a game, however it's also an imbalance that comes from the mackinaw having the worst of NOTHING in regards to roles. it doesn't have the worst yield, the skiff does. it doesn't have the worst tank, the hulk does, it doesn't have the worst cargo bay, the hulk does.
the mackinaw has too much coupled with the fact that the hulk has the worst of TWO attributes it's clear that the mackinaw needs to trade something with the hulk, and having the highest yield and cargo on one ship was the reason for tiericide in the first place the only trade that can be made is ehp.

hence, the hulk and mackinaw's ehp need to be swapped for the sake of balance. in addition the skiff needs to be given a use as well, currently it's a complete waste of ******* space.

Bull****. With equal skills a max carg orca (expanders in the lows, 2 T2 cargo rigs and 1 T1 rig) still has a faster align than a charon.

To be honest they should just make the Rorq Available for Use in highsec, I mean its an Industrial ship.... What is the purpose of restricting it to 0.0 and lowsec where it is rarely if ever used? I've played eve for 10 years and been all over 0.0, and I think I've seen maybe 5 in 10 years actually being used. CVA uses one so does -7-, Pandemic used one, and I've seen razors. But each of these allaince only ever have 1 Rorq it seems, and I have only ever seen 1 in lowsec. Parked at a POS.

This ship is great and it needs to see more use allow for it to be used in Highsec so it can get the love it deserves.[/quote]


That I agree on. Its size would be compared to a freighter. and the rorq and its ore compression is so rarely used its not even a point having a nullsec ship like it because of its poor capability for defending itself, hence no one use it. I would believe the rorqual would become more popular than the orca if it were allowed into high sec

I am just thinking that having an ore hold that can take 2 full T2 strip miner cycles (have in mind that I use T1 strips as im lazy) so if you need to go to the bathroom, get a cigarette (since there are adults playing this game that still smoke, and have to smoke outside.) Or for that matter, have a GF or wife that loves to aggro you 5 minutes after you enter ure belt.

The 2 minute cycle are best suited for chinese ore mongers that are getting paid to mine 24/7. Or all you ore botters out there that dont care except troll the forums cuz you have time for it since others are doing ure job for you.

As for the Skiff being redundent...

the 25% extra omni resistance it was is the magic, with skill, and fitted for def, you could get a skiff with 85-90% omni ress, not to mention a huge shield, iwe been fiddling about with two warp core stabs also, good luck ganking one of those , before they warp out ...

except i'm making more isk/hour than you and i can just replace my ship and still have more isk than you.
completely redundant.

Yes it is.
you need mega and zydrine? well it's quicker to mine more veldspar, sell the extra trit and just buy the mega and zyd. that's quicker, and cheaper than going all the way to null, getting jumped by two ships that both scram you, and end up in your pod back where you started.

any one who says mining isn't about making money is clutching at straws to find an argument why the skiff and venture shouldn't be laughed at with regards to mining ore. mining is a purely isk making activity, be it by selling the ore directly or creating modules/ships. even if you "mine what you need" it's still cheaper, more efficient, and provides a better profit margin at current prices to simply sell what you have an abundance of, and buy what you're lacking. hell, you ideally shouldn't even be in a position where you need to sell your excess you should be liquid enough to just buy it straight off.

well yes, they would, because they're worth more isk/hour. the people who live in null sec would mine them as they do now, because they're worth the most isk/hour.

so yes, people would get those minerals even if they think like that. because newsflash; they do think like that. that's why there are MANY websites that exist to tell you which ore is most profitable to mine, and which areas they're found in, so you can separate them to find the most profitable ore in the area you are in.