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Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#41 - 2013-01-16 03:14:37 UTC
Kahega Amielden wrote:
When you want to form up a fleet to go roam, do you go to a trade hub and ask in local for people to join your lowsec PVP fleet?

No.

EVE is a social game, but it is social with people you know, not a game for random PUGs. If you want to participate in the Dust bombardment, then you need to meet people who play it and work together with them.

And how exactly are we supposed to get to know the Dust bunnies and get them to trust us, when the only interaction we can get when not yet trusted is talking in local?
Fanatic Row
Neo T.E.C.H.
#42 - 2013-01-16 03:21:27 UTC
Ion Kirst wrote:
I guess, that CCP feels that if they can get a person to join a group, and become "social", they will continue to subscribe. . .
That is how you build retention in a Sandbox, yes.

PUG gameplay is more suited for Themeparks, which is why themeparks go F2P these days and allow players to super-spend their cash in those bursts they get to play, instead of having to justify their monthly cost; to a customer who hardly makes use of their service.

Ask yourself this, do you really love EVE and the activities you currenty do in it, or do you love the idea of how EVE could be for you, if you could play it in another way that your lifestyle would permit?

If it's the latter, and you like your current lifestyle; do yourself a favor and get out now.

If it's the former, accept that not all activities are going to suit your playstyle.
Angeal MacNova
Holefood Inc.
Warriors of the Blood God
#43 - 2013-01-16 03:29:42 UTC
Well best of luck to CCP to produce another successful product. I hope Dust takes over as the best FPS game for console.

Why?

Because CCP can then shift their developmental attention to WoD and with two successful products for the income to develop it properly.

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/goodnight-sweet-prince/

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/the-untold-story/

CCP's true, butthurt, colors.

Because those who can't do themselves keep others from doing too.
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
#44 - 2013-01-16 12:51:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Seleia O'Sinnor
Angeal MacNova wrote:
Well best of luck to CCP to produce another successful product. I hope Dust takes over as the best FPS game for console.

Why?

Because CCP can then shift their developmental attention to WoD and with two successful products for the income to develop it properly.


Development attention should be at Eve as long as Eve exists. Don't share resources, I don't want to wait another 19-1 months for a POS overhaul.

EDIT:
The development of Dust is giving me the creeps already. Some day there may be even systems in New Eden which are not compatible with others any more. Capsuleers playing in the past with old UIs and unable to leave their systems crying in agony for some dev attention to relieve them of their miserable fragmentation disease.

Odyssey: Repacking in POS hangars for modules +1,  but please for other stuff too, especially containers. Make containers openable in POS hangars.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#45 - 2013-01-16 13:31:38 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Liner Xiandra wrote:
Orbital bombardments happen in lowsec FW systems, and only during corp-vs-corp battles between Dust corps. Not on the temperate planets in a hisec system.

Corp battles are arranged beforehand and have set dates when and where these battles will occur. Talk to a Dust corp director (they get to arrange corp battles) and maybe they'll share this information with you.

Note that any dust or FW corp worth their salt will not disclose this information to randoms, as it is a combined effort that requires planning & is a security risk.

It was available to try on the test server Singularity between Christmas and last week.


This man sums it up pretty well.

Orbital bombardments are not something you can go around and just toss out. They are something that require organization and planning.



Happy to see unbrained F1 pawns didn't got another buff. Should happen more often when you guys change/implement game mechanics.

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RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-01-16 13:47:35 UTC
[quote=Arronicus] Dust is actually fun. [quote]


Ask yourself will it still be fun when all the console gamers get tired of yet another FPS and choose to go play COD 5000 and you are still sitting there all by your lonesome self shooting at nothing or constantly being sniped by some pimple faced teenager sitting in his parents basement.

Dont get me wrong I love the idea of integrating a planet game with EVE but I think they would have have better sucess if they had made it a strategy game similiar to Civilization and not a FPS and made it for the PC not some outdated console that will be extinct in a few years.

I have played dust and I actually enjoyed it but after 30 mins or so It became alittle mundane and this is coming from someone who loved COD and who played it constantly for hours on end.

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Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#47 - 2013-01-16 13:49:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Ion Kirst
Fanatic Row wrote:
Ion Kirst wrote:
I guess, that CCP feels that if they can get a person to join a group, and become "social", they will continue to subscribe. . .


Ask yourself this, do you really love EVE and the activities you currenty do in it, or do you love the idea of how EVE could be for you, if you could play it in another way that your lifestyle would permit?

If it's the latter, and you like your current lifestyle; do yourself a favor and get out now.



Maybe you are right, all good things must come to an end. If lifestyle permitted, I definetely would play differently. Maybe in a couple of years when I retire, I could play EVE more. (I'm 62 now) Yeah right, like that's gonna happen, I'd be divorced soon.


I do love the idea of how EVE could be for me (and others), but everyone can't be pleased or have it there way.

Quit EVE? . . . . . . . . . but, but, but, I can't quit now. I invested a lot of effort, too much time, too many years . . . I, I, I can't. Give this all up?

I keep hoping, that maybe in the next expansion . . .

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#48 - 2013-01-16 13:55:50 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:


Well those live bodies should be in both games not only in DUSTcrap
CCP want interaction ,then give interaction and not a cross hair on a planet only for EvE

Why?

I'm not going to go buy a console to play Dust. Why should FPS players be required to gear-up for EVE? Because *you* say so? What makes your position so superior to that of the people who, you know, actually design games for a living?

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#49 - 2013-01-16 13:58:23 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
...the sooner that great features like "Orbital Bombardment" have more autonomy from DUST, then the better.

Carry on, crack a cold brew, and drop those nukes !

Twisted
Fair enough. I don't disagree - But I'm willing to be patient. For a while, at least.

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

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Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2013-01-16 14:15:40 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
DUST would be more interesting if you had 5 Capsuleers in orbit of every planet randomly bombarding the surface for no apparent reason....

Why, that would constitute griefing the Dust Bunnies. I'm positive the EvE community would shun such a malicious activity.
Robert Warner
Back Door Burglars
#51 - 2013-01-16 15:25:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Warner
Urgg Boolean wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
DUST would be more interesting if you had 5 Capsuleers in orbit of every planet randomly bombarding the surface for no apparent reason....

Why, that would constitute griefing the Dust Bunnies. I'm positive the EvE community would shun such a malicious activity.



For how long have you been part of the EvE community?

Fake-edit: Aha sarcasm, I should have guessed :P
K1netic
Doomheim
#52 - 2013-01-16 15:41:48 UTC  |  Edited by: K1netic
RomeStar wrote:
Arronicus wrote:
Dust is actually fun.


Ask yourself will it still be fun when all the console gamers get tired of yet another FPS and choose to go play COD 5000 and you are still sitting there all by your lonesome self shooting at nothing or constantly being sniped by some pimple faced teenager sitting in his parents basement.

Dont get me wrong I love the idea of integrating a planet game with EVE but I think they would have have better sucess if they had made it a strategy game similiar to Civilization and not a FPS and made it for the PC not some outdated console that will be extinct in a few years.

I have played dust and I actually enjoyed it but after 30 mins or so It became alittle mundane and this is coming from someone who loved COD and who played it constantly for hours on end.

COD 5000 isn't going to be free to play. That's a pretty big difference. Ever wonder why LOL is the most successful MOBA game when it looks pretty **** ? I'll give you a hint... because it's FREE.

Sure that gets you allot of 15y olds but i don't really care what age they are when i nuke them from the skies, as long as there is ppl to nuke.

Good luck CCP!
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#53 - 2013-01-16 16:17:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
RomeStar wrote:
[quote=Arronicus] Dust is actually fun. [quote]


Ask yourself will it still be fun when all the console gamers get tired of yet another FPS and choose to go play COD 5000 and you are still sitting there all by your lonesome self shooting at nothing or constantly being sniped by some pimple faced teenager sitting in his parents basement.

Dont get me wrong I love the idea of integrating a planet game with EVE but I think they would have have better sucess if they had made it a strategy game similiar to Civilization and not a FPS and made it for the PC not some outdated console that will be extinct in a few years.

I have played dust and I actually enjoyed it but after 30 mins or so It became alittle mundane and this is coming from someone who loved COD and who played it constantly for hours on end.


Not only is COD not free to play as DUST is, but there is no continuity... nor are there regular updates to content as there will be in DUST. DUST will be updated and have regular expansions just like EvE does... for free. If you don't think the console FPS crowd won't be down for that, especially when their characters continually acquire more skills (even if another game takes their fancy for a week or two) then you don't understand how many adults play console now.

Keep in mind it really doesn't matter when the PS4 comes out, DUST will have a version that works on that as well. Remember, DUST is designed from the get go to run primarily on Tranquility... the box is just the delivery mechanism. That's why it can be expanded and updated so easily.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#54 - 2013-01-16 16:25:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:
Angeal MacNova wrote:
Well best of luck to CCP to produce another successful product. I hope Dust takes over as the best FPS game for console.

Why?

Because CCP can then shift their developmental attention to WoD and with two successful products for the income to develop it properly.


Development attention should be at Eve as long as Eve exists. Don't share resources, I don't want to wait another 19-1 months for a POS overhaul.

EDIT:
The development of Dust is giving me the creeps already. Some day there may be even systems in New Eden which are not compatible with others any more. Capsuleers playing in the past with old UIs and unable to leave their systems crying in agony for some dev attention to relieve them of their miserable fragmentation disease.

Yes, successful game companies should put all of their eggs in one basket... because you personally prefer that basket. Roll

CCP would be stupid NOT to diversify, and there has been no lack of attention for EvE. Most of the staff devoted to DUST has never done development for EvE, and never will. The don't even work out of the same office, or country for that matter. They are console game specialists, not PC game specialists.

And frankly your EDIT is perhaps the most ludicrous pile of what if, fantasy rubbish I've seen anyone pull out of their butt in a long time.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#55 - 2013-01-16 16:33:32 UTC
Sal Landry wrote:
Kahega Amielden wrote:
When you want to form up a fleet to go roam, do you go to a trade hub and ask in local for people to join your lowsec PVP fleet?

No.

EVE is a social game, but it is social with people you know, not a game for random PUGs. If you want to participate in the Dust bombardment, then you need to meet people who play it and work together with them.

And how exactly are we supposed to get to know the Dust bunnies and get them to trust us, when the only interaction we can get when not yet trusted is talking in local?

You can get to know them by chatting in the high sec "Home" systems (that's where their local chat stays, to avoid DUST being exploited for intel purpposes by EvE players).

You can get to know them in your own FW corp, as you will likely have DUST members joining that.

You can join the chat channels springing up specifically for the purpose of arranging Oribital Bombardments.

And in the last two examples you can easily speak with them on EvE voice just by being in that channel, as it is fully compatible with DUST in game voice chat.

You people need to stop thinking that because DUST players show up in a high sec systems local that they aren't using that as a jump off point to their combat area's in Low.

Personally, I hope that eventually they show up in local in the systems they are fighting in as well, perhaps for them the default local could be delayed or EvE players only show up after speaking... or simply says to heck with it and allow it as another intel tool for EvE players (it's not like we couldn't put an alt in that system easily anyway).

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#56 - 2013-01-16 16:37:20 UTC
MailDeadDrop wrote:
Felicity Love wrote:
So, at some point in a future iteration of "Orbital Bombardment",

Bahahahah! You must be new around here. "future iteration" doesn't happen in Eve. The CCP way is to produce some new shiney video, pre-nerf the implementation to point of absurdity, release it, then NEVER come back to it. Ever.

MDD

Except, of course, for every expansion put out in the last year or two that has focused on nothing else. Roll

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#57 - 2013-01-16 16:45:49 UTC
Ion Kirst wrote:
Kahega Amielden wrote:
When you want to form up a fleet to go roam, do you go to a trade hub and ask in local for people to join your lowsec PVP fleet?

No.

EVE is a social game, but it is social with people you know, not a game for random PUGs. If you want to participate in the Dust bombardment, then you need to meet people who play it and work together with them.



You are correct, EVE (and Dust) is a social game. That doesn't work very well for all us random PUGs. When I belonged to the Inf1dels, I loved going on the roams and ganks. It was awesome in how they worked together. But I respectfully had to withdraw from them, I could not set aside the time away from RL to play a game. Same for the FWs, and Incursions.
I can run a boring L4 mission every night, and that's about it. (besides wasting my time on these forums) . . . my comments are not delegated to you or anyone, they are only for CCP.)
I really do love this game, and I do hate that I cannot play it the way I want to. I am not alone in those feelings. I would bet that there are many, many others who also feel the same way. (they are smarter than I, as they probably don't even bother with these forums.) I guess, that CCP feels that if they can get a person to join a group, and become "social", they will continue to subscribe. . . that they will belong to something greater than themselves, and that they will feel needed. That is not the case for us PUGs, I guess I'm anti-social, and going on 5 yrs, it's how I want to play, so because of that I realize there are some things I cannot do, so again there's the disappointment in EVE.
So please, you do not have to preach to me that I need to be social, as if you're thinking you're enlightening me or something. (been there, done that.)

-Kirst


This is where I get to say "EVE might not be for you".

You have time constraints, and that's ok. But the game should not revolve around you because YOU have time constraints, and yet so many of you anti-social "solo" players keep asking for just that.

I love (American) Football, I don't have time to put on a full set of pads and play a full almost 3 hour game of it at a stadium everynight, I don't go running to the NFL or NCAA saying "you need to change the rules of football so i can play it in the 5 minutes I have available".

OB works just fine as it is, it's you who are doing it wrong.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#58 - 2013-01-16 16:48:20 UTC
Fanatic Row wrote:
Ion Kirst wrote:
I guess, that CCP feels that if they can get a person to join a group, and become "social", they will continue to subscribe. . .
That is how you build retention in a Sandbox, yes.

PUG gameplay is more suited for Themeparks, which is why themeparks go F2P these days and allow players to super-spend their cash in those bursts they get to play, instead of having to justify their monthly cost; to a customer who hardly makes use of their service.

Ask yourself this, do you really love EVE and the activities you currenty do in it, or do you love the idea of how EVE could be for you, if you could play it in another way that your lifestyle would permit?

If it's the latter, and you like your current lifestyle; do yourself a favor and get out now.

If it's the former, accept that not all activities are going to suit your playstyle.


If I were CCP I would sticky this post not only to the top of these forums, I would make it a pop up you had to read every time you logged in :).

Seriously Fanatic, well said.
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2013-01-16 19:16:31 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
So DUST is a super HI-sec expansion in FW-lowsec,you have to have approval to shoot at planets.

So how would you feel, if someone activates their "mega death ray" out of nowhere, not even in grid, not even in the same system with you, while you're battling some gang or doing missions or incursions or whatever and cause your ship and everything around you to suddenly explode?

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#60 - 2013-01-16 19:40:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarvos Telesto
Dude go play dust if you want enjoy OB, i dont know why so meny people focus on this console aspect and fall into this DUST rumor, espetaly OB its marginal in EvE that can be initiate by few people one time per day or somthing like this.. Come on, this is EvE.

EvE isn't game, its style of living.