EVE General Discussion

Here's the thing. A good corp is the corp you feel good at, regardless of your playing style. It doesn't matter whether you enjoy a megacorp environment and massive fleet battles (or logistics behind them)or a more tightly nit small gang environment,a corp needs to make you want to log in, and not shy away in another toon or in deaspace alone. After all, in Eve content is playerz, npcs can only offer so much. So instead of looking for an efficient corp and all that mumbo jumbo about killboard ratios e.t.c i'd suggest looking for a community within EVE. And the best way to do that, is to look for an alliance first,and then for a corporation within it's ranks.

An alliance,regardless of it's size will always have an assortment of corporations of different groups of people with other playstyles,working on different corp goals e.t.c Try to look for an alliance that can offer you what playstyles you find enjoyable in EVE (through their corps), then working down to a corporation that feels like a good try and you'll quickly find out what a good "corp" is. You'll score extra points in the enjoyment factor if you go for an alliance that is still working up their way and not an already established one,giving you more of a reason to log in (there's something to do!) . Unless of course you'r looking for an already established corporation that runs like clockwise to make your piles of isk or killmails while you didn't play for it and eventually get bored like the rest and win eve.

Well yes another way you can get into pretty much any corp you want without having to worry about all that "Political" stuff you were talking about or corp history is if you have a friend already in that corp.

That's how I got into my current corp even though I fell well below the requirement.

In my experiance the best corps are the ones that kick your ass. I have been playing this game for a long time and have had all sorts of experiance in pretty much all aspects of the game, what I have found is that the best way to find great corps is to test their abilities through direct conflict. For example recently I was pleasantly suprised by a corp called fluffy kitten quilting company and snuggle club [SNUGL]. They war deced us and after getting some intel I thought it was somekind of joke or something, a bunch of newbs who could barely scrub a couple million skill points between all their members. A week later we are 174 million in the hole in the war. I started out arogant making fun of them and ended up respecting them a great deal.

Well organized, patient, running great fits... they got their **** together and you have to respect it.. I mean most of the people in my corp are fairly experianced pilots and we are having a lot of trouble catching them and they have an uncanny ability to be at the right place at the right time, clearly a good spy network.

This is really what your looking for in a corp and the only way to really be sure a corp has it is to war dec them and test out their skills.

If I where a new player looking for a good corp to join, I would create my own corp, and war dec people in my area until I found someone to respect, than ask to join. You would be suprised how quickly people will take you in if your respectful during the war and show some gumbtion and skill. Eventually you'll find someone.

Don't make the mistake, like many do, to assume some corporation activity to alliance reputation/activity.

In null you can have industrial corps that are not that experienced in pvp and it's ok, pvp guys need stuff and in return industrials need some protection.
This goes on an on for whatever activity you might think in Eve so before you make yourself an idea about some corp just because of the Alliance tag, or the other way around, get as much information as you can. Try to discuss with some recruiter officer or directors from said Corporations and make yourself an idea.

Important: never ever accept to move all your assets before you know who you're dealing with, eventually to the closest NPC station but that should be all.

Move to your destination with an empty clone, cloaky cheapo fit bomber and buy one/two ships for regular activities/fleet "in situ", if you bother people when you start asking questions about reimbursement programs, corp facilities you can use, advantages they offer to you being there and supporting their main activity, then move away and don't look back.

Don't pay application fees or whatever crap, you're being owned. Get out of your pockets some minor monthly contribution (null sec) can be ok once you become regular member, before you do just don't.

Simple: for bad corps you're simply a milky cow, for good corps you can/should be/become THE asset they want and whatever you might have in your hangar or wallet it's not really what matters to them because assets, you can build them overtime.

You have to suck a lot of lemons to find the perfect Tequila slammer. The downside of this of course is that your employment history might mark you down as a persistent corp hopper.

To complicate things even further, you can find the "perfect corp" that suits your aspirations precisely only to find it operates outwith your available play times.

Teaming up with RL friends is the ideal however usually impractical.

tldr; You get lucky.

What has this game come to? A CEO with six alts? 1 in 10 active members? I agree that most "we do it all corps" don't do much. TBH this is all I see in the recruitment channel. To your point about logistics, I agree and I think most players who do industry fall into this category (unfortunately for me).

You need to decide what you want to do in EVE. By the time you've figured that out you'll have been in a couple/several corporations. Once that's happened ask yourself a few questions:

1. Will this corporation/alliance let me have fun? If the corporation/alliance forces you into many mandatory things you do not like such as CTAs or meetings they are not the corporation for you as the point of the game is to have fun.

2. Is this corporation/alliance fit my level of activity? If the corporation/alliance has no one on while you are on then you might as well be in your own one-man corporation. If the corporation requires you to be more active than you can afford to be then see point one they most likely don't meet that point and you should move on. That's only the most likely case though there are exceptions where they will be perfectly fine with your lesser than average participation.

3. Does this corporation/alliance have an unhealthy obsession with pointless numbers? If they're obsessed with killboards, spreadsheets, SP or other meaningless numbers I suggest you move on. In these groups you will often find semi-competent unfriendly people that will make the game less fun for yourself. Getting hung up over things that don't matter makes the game much less enjoyable.

4. Do I like the corporation/alliance's culture(This is why mega nullsec alliances are good)? If you want to be an ~honourable pvper~ and are trying to join some pirate organization this is a bad fit and you should move on. Make sure you enjoy and can mesh with the culture. I highly suggest you avoid culture's that consider themselves ~elite~ those are most likely to be highly poisonous environments that will eventually make you hate the game.

As long as you can satisfy those points you should be able to find an organization you like in any part of space. Remember to try as many things as possible so you can find your own niche and while you're searching you will find several bad organizations. Don't be discouraged by this instead make what you can of the situation if they are particularly asinine there is plenty of "retribution" you can merit out to them. Eventually you will find one you like.

BS. "Industrial" corps are a liability, full of whiners who insist that they are more special than "mere" PvPers because they bought some BPO's. Then they build drakes and put them on the market for Jita price, and claim that they are "helping the alliance". But god forbid you dare ask one to get in a frigate with a point on it, you'll never hear the end of it. These little princesses don't have those skills at all, no no,12 hrs training time is too much of a sacrifice "for the alliance"

Ya know what? I own a rorqual. Level 4 boosts. When I have my implant clone installed, my mining lasers reach out and touch rocks 28km away, with a cycle time around 100 secs. And yet I also have maxxed gunnery skills. When a neutral jumps in system I park my industrial ships, hop in my zealot, my falcon or my sabre, and go blap the crap out of them. I fly fleet doctrine ships on every CTA. I'm always happy to provide my black ops battleship to hot drop people.

And I don't go around claiming that I'm "helping the alliance" by selling people stuff they can buy elsewhere in greater quantity, and selling it for a profit.

Anyone who calls himself an "industrial" player is a bad, useless EVE player. Then there are good EVE players, who can build things in-between roams, and very much enjoy PvP. There is nothing I can't mine or build. I can do everything the industrial player can. But I can also PvP. The industrial player can't do that. At all.

Everyone has been usually nice to you in this thread, and I don't understand why.

It sounds like you have absolutely no idea what you want out of EVE. Unless I missed it, you haven't actually stated what you're looking for out of a corp and instead are just floating around trying to stumble onto something good in the recruitment channel. I thought at first you might be looking for a PvP corp but it's abundantly clear from your posts you have very little, if any, experience with any form of PvP whether it is in null, low, or high-sec. Then I thought you might be an industrialist/miner but you scoff at corps that even mention the word "industry".

The sad part is you said you've been playing since 2004. It's been nine years and you still haven't figured it out.

P.S. - Starfleet Enterprises is a terrible and desperate corp, as you can see from their attempts at recruiting you from this thread
P.P.S. - in-game recruitment channel is where the trashbin corps of EVE find recruits