Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Atron/executioner can use this cool strategy called KITING. Their tank doesn't matter because you will never hit them. Even if im dumb enough to warp into a plex your in I still have a chance to coast out of scram range.

The tormentor also isn't that tanky and my incursus can go faster while perma tanking the thing. Every damn brawler can. My merlin/incursus can tank you while hitting you with null. My kestrel will rain full dps on you while having a bigger buffer than you, my slasher will run laps around you while ASB tanking and getting you with a tracking disruptor, the breacher will shake off your damage and apply full dps hitting your resist hole, the punisher has the exact same damage projection and out tanks you massively forcing you to retreat at the least. the condor will kite the **** out of you, the incursus can perma tank you or fit for kiting. Also did you forget that I can fit AUTOCANNONS on my trist or dual neuts and shut off your tormentor completely. The Tristan has multiple sets of drones and will close range while your trying to kill them. Frigate fights have extremely short durations and wasting time trying to kill my drones is a really unwise decision in most cases.

Your sounding like you hardly even do frigate 1v1's man.

The Tormentor is probably my favorite frigate after the Tristan. (Which is hilariously OP btw).

High:
Focused Pulse II x 3
Mid:
AB II
Web II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler
Low:
DC II
200mm rolled tungsten
Adaptive Nano Plate II
SAR II
Rigs:
Small Energy Burst
Small Armor Nano Pump x 2

Hobs II x 2

Overheat your mids and approach to get the initial tackle. Move to 8km and kite after that. Anything MWD fit should die in a fire. This ship is infinitely better then the Punisher.

Dead Kiter

I have seen a few slip past. Their DPS is so horrible though that you can usually call for and get help before they kill you. And if you have Loki boosts? (Above example did not) -18km web and 16 km scram. Fly no tank kiters at your own risk.

Edit: with a web and an AB a target will have a hard time getting under your guns which is the real weakness of the Punisher. Instant ammo swap lets you push 180 DPS or so. (I don't have Pyfa at work for exact numbers). The ship hurts, has about 5.5k EHP, and can get a few cycles of it's SAR to add to that.

Atron is **** at kiting compared to the executioner or condor, hence why I thought you were referring to a brawl fit. Regardless, the Tormentor is no more vulnerable to kiting than any other scram range frigate.



The Incursus can only permatank the thing (and most other t1 frigates) with a gimmicky dual rep fit...A dual rep fit that will not have a web and thus will never get into range. It would be a stalemate until the Incursus ran out of boosters at which point it would die.

Blasterboats with null (and no real range bonus) cannot effectively fight at ~8km. The only thing a Merlin/Incursus can kill at that range is something that also cannot project damage for ****.

TD/ASB slasher could probably win. Breacher/Punisher explicitly counter the tormentor on the basis of range projection, this is nothing new (though the tormentor isn't that much less tanky).

Unbonused autocannons are going to function like blasters except with **** damage. Dual neut could be interesting against a laserboat like the Tristan but you may or may not consistently be in neut range.

the Tristan does not have a full extra flight of drones. It has 3 extra.

Both beam lasers and pulse lasers work for a kiting executioner, and both are far and away better weapon systems for the purpose than railguns.



A dual-rep incursus will not close range because it will lack a web. The Merlin is a bit tankier but will take significantly more damage on approach than it will dish out. As you said, frigate fights don't take a long time; slowboating into range will make you eat a lot of damage before you start seriously dishing out damage.



And eat a ton of damage on approach.



Unbonused autos have about 6km falloff and negligable optimal. With barrage, that's 9km falloff. While closing range you'll be starting off at ~50% of unbonused autocannons' already low damage. You'd be far better off with just double neuts.


Regardless, this is silly. I am not saying there are not circumstances that other frigates would beat the tormentor, as there are. However, the tormentor is perfectly capable of competing with plenty of other frigates. It doesn't have to win every matchup, just enough of them.