Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hello, as a Highsec carebear, i say that highsec is way way too safe. concord always has my back and kills anyone who attempts to take a pop-shot at my overly tanked skiff.

i ask that you please make concord much much weaker, to the point to where players have a remote chance of actually fighting them and beating them.

Now for my l0g1c,
1) CCP made concord insainly hard to beat ( impossible actually in highsec concordokens ) because of a issue with dreads taking on concord and winning.
2) CCP is slowly, and successfully eliminating all said threats to living in highsec, except for pure stupidity in reguards to ship loss's, or war-decs.
3) Low-sec is useless.
4) there is very little content for a said "pirate" player, or even a want to be said pirate player.
5) there is no real way of saying this except that low sec, make very little sence to exsist.

how to fix this shyt.
1) concord exists in all sec 1.0 - 0.1;
2) concord uses said Sleeper/incursion/somethingnotquitesodumbAI
3) concord intervenes a said 'event' at a strength proportional to the security rating of the system.
4) for each player that engages in the said 'event' concord sends more resistance, and scales the difficulty, to the point to where massive fleets participating in a said 'event' would have a hard time surviving.
5) allows defenselessness players time to call in backup while the said 'event starter' defends themself from the concord intervention.
6) if the said event started, successfully fends off the concord intervention, and managed to keep their pray, they deserve to do as they please with said pray.
7) tax income based on security of the system ( concord safety tax of lol'z ) concord tax sec 1.0 > concord tax sec 0.1
8) due to 7, there is no need for a 'balancing' of sec to income ratios because you can adjust concords security presents and raise tax's on capsuleer pilots. this will drive people who want more profit, to lower sec space, where concord presence is there but weaker, and tax is lower, but the risk is greater ( due to player pirates ).

Like how all NPC corps have the 11% tax and make players immune to war's, highsec should tax income, and make player less likely to get attacked by pirates while still allowing for players to find said things in system ( like ABC ores or something tasty like that) and lowering income for being in highsec ( like what is intended ). this will remove the said 'OMG low sec is full of pirates, dont go there' to, lowsec has less tax's, lets go make more profits because no one is there!

please comment as you feel, and for grammer naz1's, there are pleanty of text books you can go off and fix, fixing my comment's grammer, or spelling is both pointless, and unproductive for your said 'career'. (unless the said person is actually paid as a internet grammer naz1, then i commend your work ethic )

High sec is supposed to be safe. Concord should not be evadable and it should kill you 100% of the time.

High sec is also supposed to suck, which it doesn't. It is the most profitable of all the spaces.

Fixes are simple:
Make building **** in null worthwhile and easy
Make high sec ores utter **** and provide low yield, while buffing other spaces ores
Make exploration in high sec less profitable and increase profits in other parts of space
Increase null and low sec incursion payouts
Make rats have bigger bounties
Make it easier to add research slots to stations
Make low security level fours have 1.5x the payouts

You could probably name hundreds of things, but ill stop right here.


Your always going to need the kiddie space, it provides a safe place to catch your breath for corps, it provides an area where noobs can actually figure out how to play, it provides a area for the bizzaro risk averse people in a pvp based sandbox MMO or have exaggerated beliefs of how scary null is.

You need high sec to be safe. It just gives to much isk relative to other parts.

Eve is a game i agree, but what needs to be done, is nullsec profits will be a base line, and how much you really make based on sec status, should be tax'd off the top.

for example:
ABC ores, bring them to highsec
you refine them in 1.0 space: you lose 50% profit
refine them in 0.7 space: you lose like about 35% profit
refine them in 0.5 space: lose like 25% profit
refine them in 0.1 spce: lose like 5% profit

this will effect mining by allowing miners in highsec to, rather then risk profits to refine, sell the ore as is, and let someone else risk the refine tax to make more profit.

from a mission runner standpoint:
isk payout per mission: 10-15mil isk from agent, rats: 50-100m each mission
in 1.0 space: lose 50% profit
in 0.5 space: lose 25% profit
in 0.1 space: lose 5% profit

from a explorer standpoint:
1.0 space: less pirate stuff, more W-hole entrences where pirates can 'seep' from leading to lower sec space
0.5 space: moderate of both but leading to higher sec spce.
0.1 space: more loot stuff, and more access to W-hole space.

from a trader standpoint:
1.0 systems: slightly more tax's on sales -> prices go up -> safer, but more expencive goods
0.5 systems: less tax's -> prices slightly lowered -> less safe, but moderatly prices goods
0.1 systems: nearly no tax's -> very low prices -> not safe really, but yields very good prices

from a pvp player standpoint:
1.0 systems: i can attack said pray, but i will probably lose my ship and gain no profit, and give the pray a kill mail.
0.5 systems: i can attack said pray, but i will also have to deal with concord beating on me, i have a good chance of making more profit, and if i die, it was a worth while attempt
0.1 systems: i can attack said pray, but concord sends a single frigate that i can tank while i destroy my pray, i will win if my pray does not have a escort, and i will get paid more, unless my pray has no good stuff, then i find another pray.

from a pirate standpoint:
1.0 systems: not worth it, concord hates me and will molest me with too much firepower.
0.5 systems: i like it here, because concord is nearly on even terms as i am, and if i find a defenceless player, i can profit greatly
0.1 systems: i dwell here, because concord has little frigs that tickle my shields as i blast people to bits and sell their goods.

from your standpoint:
1.0 system: dont undock, ill die because everyone is out to get me.
0.5 system: quit playing eve because if i undock ill die
0.1 system: make a new account, and hope for better results, why did i play this game to begin with

from everyone elses standpoint:
highsec: safer, but shouldnt be too safe, also less profitable then lower security space and null sec
low sec: pirates and assholes are here, i dont want to go here because the profit is not worth it, i rather stay in highsec or nullsec
null sec: my alliance owns this system, all i have to worry about is hot drops and reds in local, in which i dock up and scream and cry until a needlessly large fleet comes to take care of it, then i go back to ratting and mining super profitable items with no risk cuz i have tons of buddys to molest anyone that trys to get into the system because i cry so hard for help.

eve itself needs to get re-vamped so new players can really get the feel that eve is not a safe place, and adjust to it sooner, rather then think that the game is played in highsec, unless i want to pvp then i go to nullsec or lowsec.

if i want to pirate, i want to be able to raid haulers, and other people in lower sec space with some forms of interfention from concord, or another player, i dont want to be kicked out of highsec because i cant do what i want. this is a sandbox after all. make the game more like it, not like a themepark mmo where highsec is 'leveling zones', nullsec is 'endgame' and lowsec is 'pvp arenas'.

i Play eve because i want to be what i want, not fall into sec brackets based on my choice of play.

Basicly stating:
if i want to be X in Y security status, i should be able to do that within game mechanics, and profit if i am good at it.

currently, if i want to be a pirate in 1.0 status space, i am unable to do it because concord destroys my ship after i shoot the first shot. this means i risk my ship, and get no reward. kinda like playing Russian roulette with a M9 pistol.

its easy, us 5 vets will have everyone's isk ( stuff ) and buy the remaining plex's to the point, where we will have enough game time in our 5 accounts to keep ccp happy for atleast a month or so. then we go play minecraft or something.

in reality, i dont play eve as much as i use to simply because its boring, there is no 'omfg this happened to me today' or any other form of excitement, and the amount of time i can invest in games is already limited.

i agree eve is a great game, but there is no short and sweet things that are entertaining or keep me wanting to come back for more.

i think the only time i actually said ill come back was when incarna was release ( i was bitterly disapointed ) and put off by this, so i stoped playing, i didnt un-subscribe because i didnt want to fall behind in my training for when they actually release something that makes up for the failure.

which brings me to why i posted this to begin with, CCP is making this sandbox more and more into a 'theme park' sandbox. where if you want to do X your limited to do it this way or that way.

CCP needs to get off that train of mind, and just provide us the tools to craft or carve out what we want to do, which brings me to why i want this change. CCP has made highsec way too safe, and when way to safe is where everyone hangs out and plays, the rest of the game is very bland and well crappy.

i dont want to be a miner that sits in highsec and watchs a static laser show, i dont want to be a mission runner that does the same thing all the time (actually waiting for the dynamic AI rats and try that new toy out ). i dont want to be part of a nullsec alliance and be forced to play on their schedule, and i dont want to chill in low sec where i have to find people to kill and not meet new people because no one hangs out in low sec. its also been harder and harder to perform piracy profitably, which is the whole point of piracy ( pillaging and looting for profit of merchant ships ).

This.

High sec is meant to be safer, not safe.

If you think Concord can't be tanked you're wrong.

Use :effort:. Stop whining.

I have to admit, I really like this idea of eve security levels.

The problem is currently, I think its more like:

High sec = city
Low sec = wild west
Null sec = Gang land

Making low sec into a kind of suburbs with industrial stuff, pollution, and other bad sides of civilization would be pretty neat, but with no concord there, it can't be done right now.

From this point of view, Null-sec as the wild west seems good. It should have undiscovered resources like it has now, high ores, moons, high end PI, enormous wealth to be made due to empires not yet claiming all resources. It should also have the least development, almost no stations, no security other than your own thugs to fight for your space, no trade hubs that are anything like high sec, since they can't be protected properly. Isn't null-sec quite a bit like that now? lol

Seems to me if eve were to go to this theme for its 3 zones, the only real problem is low-sec.

My 2isk

Sorry, what are you going on about? Did I mention Concord? Did I say I could tank them? Did I say, I should not have to use effort? Where did I whine?

I await you response, with bated breath.

did he press quote instead of just reply? lol

not sure how being able to withstand concord for a bit longer will change things. u have plenty of time to blap things before they arrive, and u cannot seriously expect to survive a concordokken, especially when u cannot warp from the moment u commit a crime.

Low and null sec is more profitable than high sec by quite a bit, except for the pirates killing virtually all profit to be made there. Null sec alliance members who work their space do fine.

Low sec dwellers complaining about lack of defenseless targets in their space have only themselves to blame. You overhunted your territory to the point that nearly all the bears avoid it like the crime filled wasteland you are so proud to make it. Why should a bear move to low sec, where ship losses make missioning there a negative income proposition? Where failed missions occur so frequently your faction gets destroyed. Where you have to bring a fleet of people to do the simplest of things, where you are basically sitting with your thumb up your rear because pirates won't engage where there is an actual fight and the split in profits makes the night both boring and not worth the time for the pvp combat escorts?

The so called pirates kill low sec. You can destroy hi sec all you want, but so long as non-consensual pvp exists along side useless for pvp mission fits, most people are going to go where their risk is manageable. Unless your game is playing mouse, trying to play your game while you can be prevented from doing anything you came to do by mouth breathing baby eaters is not fun. Killing hi sec will not force people into your Target box, it will simply force them out of the game.