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CCP, Why are there no rewards for low security status?
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-01-14 15:43:07 UTC
Low security status has all kinds of handicaps and restrictions, so why are there no rewards? If EVE is about risk and reward, then -10 players need a reward to offset the vast list of restrictions placed on their toon.

For example give everyone with -10 sec status 200% payout bonuses on Pirate missions (like from Angel Cartel and Sansha agents), or maybe a discount on pirate LP stores. Something to make -10 cool again.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-01-14 15:49:31 UTC
Or maybe access to all these sekwet squirrel pirate bases that you are always blowing up in missionsBig smile

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#3 - 2013-01-14 15:49:57 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Low security status has all kinds of handicaps and restrictions, so why are there no rewards? If EVE is about risk and reward, then -10 players need a reward to offset the vast list of restrictions placed on their toon.

For example give everyone with -10 sec status 200% payout bonuses on Pirate missions (like from Angel Cartel and Sansha agents), or maybe a discount on pirate LP stores. Something to make -10 cool again.


The reward for a sec status of -5 is that people are more willing to fight you anywhere.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#4 - 2013-01-14 15:56:03 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Low security status has all kinds of handicaps and restrictions, so why are there no rewards?


The reward of low security status is having low security status. Also, the welfare office is that way ---->
Ravnik
Infinate Horizon
#5 - 2013-01-14 16:02:33 UTC
There are rewards. They are garanteed unlimited pvp if they so wish!

The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long - and you have burned so very, very brightly..........
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-01-14 16:03:24 UTC
Ravnik wrote:
There are rewards. They are garanteed unlimited pvp if they so wish!


So unlimited PVP is a reward? Now that's a 180* shift of what GD usually says!

Things are only impossible until they are not.
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#7 - 2013-01-14 16:59:28 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Low security status has all kinds of handicaps and restrictions, so why are there no rewards? If EVE is about risk and reward, then -10 players need a reward to offset the vast list of restrictions placed on their toon.

For example give everyone with -10 sec status 200% payout bonuses on Pirate missions (like from Angel Cartel and Sansha agents), or maybe a discount on pirate LP stores. Something to make -10 cool again.


This is reasonable. Thumbs up all the way. An entitlement society says that I should be compensated for all the persecution and discrimination I face in highsec. Smile

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Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#8 - 2013-01-14 17:02:17 UTC
Actually, I agree with OP. Negative sec to work for pirates sounds awesome.

The Drake is a Lie
Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
#9 - 2013-01-14 17:03:05 UTC
the reward for low security status is that we all fear you and are looking up to you ,oh my lord
Minerva Zen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-01-14 17:07:58 UTC
You already got the reward; all the loot you got while going negative in the first place. Sorry if you mismanaged that and didn't score juicier kills on the way to -10.0.
Unit757
North Point
#11 - 2013-01-14 17:13:27 UTC
I always thought the reward was getting to laugh at all the idiots who still charge isk for kill rights on us.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-01-14 17:14:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Low security status has all kinds of handicaps and restrictions, so why are there no rewards? If EVE is about risk and reward, then -10 players need a reward to offset the vast list of restrictions placed on their toon.

For example give everyone with -10 sec status 200% payout bonuses on Pirate missions (like from Angel Cartel and Sansha agents), or maybe a discount on pirate LP stores. Something to make -10 cool again.


EVE is also about consequences. There's a reason your security status is low, it's a measure and a reflection of your toon's 'lawfulness' based on what activities you've decided to participate in. There are no special rewards for +10s either. High security status grants no special treatment whatsoever, but low security status means you're a threat, an outlaw, and probably can't be trusted, hence your 'exile' from high security space. And that's not even enforceable if you aren't sticking around in high sec for too long. When you make the choice to go low, you gotta face the consequences. I wanna go low myself at some stage, maybe when I'm a little more experienced. But the last I checked.... in regards to rewards, you're not missing out on anything that someone with a high security status has except unrestricted access to high security space. Correct me if I'm wrong.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
nikon56
UnSkilleD Inc.
#13 - 2013-01-14 17:34:57 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Low security status has all kinds of handicaps and restrictions, so why are there no rewards? If EVE is about risk and reward, then -10 players need a reward to offset the vast list of restrictions placed on their toon.

For example give everyone with -10 sec status 200% payout bonuses on Pirate missions (like from Angel Cartel and Sansha agents), or maybe a discount on pirate LP stores. Something to make -10 cool again.


The reward for a sec status of -5 is that people are more willing to fight you anywhere.

no.


as far as i can tell, i still had the same amount of fight, whether i was 0.0 ss or now that i am -10.0.
corpmembers with positive ss have no more or less fight than i do.

this has to do with the activity of the area, nothing more.

i do not especially want any reward asociated with it tho, but i have to admit this would be great.
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#14 - 2013-01-14 17:47:08 UTC
Minerva Zen wrote:
You already got the reward; all the loot you got while going negative in the first place. Sorry if you mismanaged that and didn't score juicier kills on the way to -10.0.


I didnt really get any loot. Miniluv had a newbee pod-killing contest in Jita Cool

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-01-14 18:30:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
(read this like if somebody wants to sell you something. fast. ^_^)

Lots of rewards for being -10. Much more than for being +10, tbh.

First of all, some of us are actually feared. Like ... that one guy who was moving around
in his pod and saw me haul stuff in a frig ... he freaked out and warped off,
because he thought i was after him. I have the mail somewhere,
had him mentioned on my bio for a while. Funny story. ^_^

Then there's the benefit of actually being recognized,
in comparison to a +10 who gets ignored just like every other nobody else, like ... you ?
I mean ... really. We're red ! We flash ! It screams "LOOK HE'S FAMOUS!" !

Famous, i tell ya !


Then we always have an easy way to find combat. Always !
Well ... not all of us, of course. There's no combat for those losers who hide in station,
using neutral alts to seek "targets". But hey, these guys are noobs and cowards and we really ...
... we really can't blame them, really. Really ?

Really, i tell ya !


Then there's money. Money ! MoneyMoneyMoneyMoney !
People throw money and ships at you !
Like ... 4 billion ISK !


Money, i tell ya !

And ships !
SHIPS, i tell ya !


Like, for example, four Cynabals.
Yes. Four ! For shooting people !
For being -10 ! For not hiding !
For not needing alts !
FOUR CYNABALS !
Imagine that !


Anyway, being -10 is much more rewarding than being a +10 carebear,
or +5, as reaching +10 isn't possible anymore anyway.

Ohohoh ! That reminds me ... there IS a huge reward for being +5 !

I recognize you ! And when i recognize you,
several others recognize you !

Don't believe me ? Ha !

Just last week i saw a guy who was above +5 ! He had +5.1 ! Woah, +5.1 !!
This small, but AWESOME fact, made me hunt him for ten minutes !
Ten minutes ! And then I finally got him in a pipe system!
Ten minutes ! He would have had the ride of his life,
if he would have been at the keyboard !!
Too bad he missed it !

Now i hear you ask "Where's the fame ??"
Well ... now he's mentioned in my bio !
And people actually read that bio !
And they laugh at people mentioned in my bio !

And there, on my bio, they see a guy with +5.1 who hast just lost his Crystal-Set !
A crystal-set ! Now if that ain't fame, i don't know what fame is !


Fame, i tell ya !


^_^
Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#16 - 2013-01-14 19:32:21 UTC
Players with -10 status have the reward of "Running for their lives" in Highsec, and more "victims" are willing to engage them in lowsec...

Being a pie is reward in itself...
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-01-14 19:38:35 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Low security status has all kinds of handicaps and restrictions, so why are there no rewards?



More rewards?

-Still able to travel with your ship in high sec: check
-still able to to use your guns and kill other ships: check
-still able to use empire facilities: check

I think I forgot some more funky stuff but whatever.

8/10 nice work. Lol

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Le Badass
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-01-14 19:42:02 UTC
OP is a little confused because the reward came before the effort.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#19 - 2013-01-14 19:53:14 UTC
nikon56 wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Low security status has all kinds of handicaps and restrictions, so why are there no rewards? If EVE is about risk and reward, then -10 players need a reward to offset the vast list of restrictions placed on their toon.

For example give everyone with -10 sec status 200% payout bonuses on Pirate missions (like from Angel Cartel and Sansha agents), or maybe a discount on pirate LP stores. Something to make -10 cool again.


The reward for a sec status of -5 is that people are more willing to fight you anywhere.

no.


as far as i can tell, i still had the same amount of fight, whether i was 0.0 ss or now that i am -10.0.
corpmembers with positive ss have no more or less fight than i do.

this has to do with the activity of the area, nothing more.

i do not especially want any reward asociated with it tho, but i have to admit this would be great.


No, I mean its an incentive thing. People are much less likely to attack you on gates or stations if you are not below -5, because they would be fighting with the penalty of gate guns.

Since my entire corp is now outlaw, it does mean however that we can't trick people into shooting our one non-outlaw guy first. We have had to adapt our tactics to that reality.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#20 - 2013-01-14 20:00:16 UTC
being -10 is its own reward.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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