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If You Had to Restart...

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Locke Estidal
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-01-13 12:45:29 UTC
After coming back to Eve Online (from a 12 month hiatus) I've been looking, as you normally do, at my character's trained skills and new skill plans and it made me realise that there are a fair number of skill points wasted on things I'm probably not going to be using in a long long time. So my question is: if you had to restart Eve from scratch (no alts etc.) how would you progress ship wise and what skills would you stop yourself from investing in?

Personally I'd have purely stuck with missiles (and T2 Light/Medium drones) and focused towards a Tengu. Mistakes? stop trying to multitask and do everything in Eve at once.
Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
#2 - 2013-01-13 12:47:14 UTC
i would try to multitask and do everything in Eve at once
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#3 - 2013-01-13 12:54:35 UTC
You don't gain anything my restarting, you just lose everything you've trained already!

Don't worry about skills you are not using right now, you'll eventually use them.

And as much as I dislike it, Tengu is a really, really good ship for many kinds of things.

.

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-01-13 13:13:41 UTC
Agreed on the tengu bit with Roime. It's a really versatile boat. Just a suggestion, instead of restarting just roll another alt and get him to pvp with those spanking new cruisers! Cheap as chips and so much fun!
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#5 - 2013-01-13 14:36:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Vilnius Zar
I've restarted many times in EVE (I'm a terrible altoholic), this time I kinda guessed that Amarr would do well in the, then, upcoming rebalance so i went full Amarr. Trained up my drones, lasers and now fly a Legion for when I want to so some exploration, if I can be bothered. Amarr is and will become more and more powerful for solo/small gang pvp, which is what I'm looking for. And if ofcourse great at fleet PVP.

Would I have to choose again I'd pick either Amarr or Gallente.
Yeovilty
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-01-13 15:00:37 UTC
Restarting from scratch, I'd roll Caldari, aim for a Tengu as you said.

Starting with core skills > Tank > Missiles > Tengu.

Drake is still a good stepping stone, so I'd probably be fine in that for a long time until I got into a Tengu. Either that, or a Raven hull; though that would be deviating a bit from the Tengu tree.
Velarra
#7 - 2013-01-13 15:44:49 UTC
In restarting from scratch you gain the opportunity to apply the lessons you learned in your earlier characters' mistakes. Your first may have many divergences or simply be all over the place with excessive redundancies. These skills may take you years if not decades to get the absolute most from. (note- i'm not referring to all V, - but simply all races ships & skills to V's & spec-IV's with solid universal competencies).

In contrast if you keep yourself focused down one race's set of ships / toolbox, you'll gain vertical (ship roles within one race), flexibility, in contrast to traditional horizontal (2 or more races yet same role) cross training. In a fraction of the time of attempting to be universally skilled.

Each provide adaptability vs. time invested skilling options, strengths and weaknesses depending on how you wish to interact with New Eden.
Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2013-01-13 16:35:48 UTC
Velarra wrote:
In restarting from scratch you gain the opportunity to apply the lessons you learned in your earlier characters' mistakes. Your first may have many divergences or simply be all over the place with excessive redundancies. These skills may take you years if not decades to get the absolute most from. (note- i'm not referring to all V, - but simply all races ships & skills to V's & spec-IV's with solid universal competencies).

In contrast if you keep yourself focused down one race's set of ships / toolbox, you'll gain vertical (ship roles within one race), flexibility, in contrast to traditional horizontal (2 or more races yet same role) cross training. In a fraction of the time of attempting to be universally skilled.

Each provide adaptability vs. time invested skilling options, strengths and weaknesses depending on how you wish to interact with New Eden.


"fraction of the time" meaning 9 months for the competencies, another 6 months-ish for ships and spec IV's
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#9 - 2013-01-13 16:46:22 UTC
if i had to restart i would no longer play

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value

CCP Falcon
#10 - 2013-01-13 17:00:45 UTC

I started from scratch when I started working for CCP.

My previous two main characters were a 140m SP Gallente/Amarr close range, armor tanked PvP character and a 170m SP Caldari/Matari ECM Shield tanking and kiting character with maxed out fleet command and gang link skills.

Right now, I'm training to do the same. When something works, don't change it. P

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Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#11 - 2013-01-13 18:01:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Celly S
While not restarting EvE, this toon is starting at the beginning, I have trained skills for her to fly a BC, and the rest is going to the core skills
she has genos and basic implants + the cereb accel booster for her first 35 days so she trains at > +5 implant speed.
she has the most basic of industry skills so she could do the career missions and everything else has gone into cores, her bc and compensations.

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.

Jason McCoy
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-01-13 18:18:57 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

I started from scratch when I started working for CCP.

My previous two main characters were a 140m SP Gallente/Amarr close range, armor tanked PvP character and a 170m SP Caldari/Matari ECM Shield tanking and kiting character with maxed out fleet command and gang link skills.

Right now, I'm training to do the same. When something works, don't change it. P


If you had two previous main chars at such high sp why did you restart? Does the job require you to not use your other two mains? what gives?

I am seriously interested in knowing.
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-01-13 18:21:51 UTC
If I had to restart my main, I wouldn't train all those worthless mining and refining skills, and I probably wouldn't bother with any of the social skills except for Fast Talk. With the coming skill changes I'd probably specialize into Gallente and Caldari, wait for good core skills to cross to Amarr, and completely ignore Minmatar.

CCP has no sense of humour.

Varesk
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-01-13 18:31:23 UTC
Roime wrote:
You don't gain anything my restarting, you just lose everything you've trained already!






just cross train.


Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#15 - 2013-01-13 18:35:28 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

I started from scratch when I started working for CCP.

My previous two main characters were a 140m SP Gallente/Amarr close range, armor tanked PvP character and a 170m SP Caldari/Matari ECM Shield tanking and kiting character with maxed out fleet command and gang link skills.

Right now, I'm training to do the same. When something works, don't change it. P



Nonense, all you CCP folks do is mine and die to ganks and can flippers.




Probably ice miners too.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#16 - 2013-01-13 18:36:50 UTC
My alts are somewhat specialized in what they are trained in, but Krix is, after 3 years, pretty much really up there in most of the SkillPoint categories, both industrial and combat.

In EVE, patience is the name of the game.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-01-13 19:05:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmy Zeta
I'd roll Amarr of Khanid instead of Achura, but I am still hoping that CCP will someday allow us to change bloodlines.

Being orientated both toward invention/manufacture and combat made for a pretty slow and difficult start for me, jack of all trades and master of none. But right now, after several years, I think it is awesome for me to fund my pewpew via t2 sales- and of course keep some of those ships and modules for myself to make it even cheaper to lose my ships Cool

One thing I would change is not wasting so much time in lame highsec indy corps but go for some more interesting lowsec or WH corps much earlier.

Skill-wise: I have rank 5 in astrogeology and mining, some former CEO was about to force me into a Hulk, but luckily I resisted and left the corp. These are the only skills I consider wasted on this character.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-01-13 21:18:22 UTC
Jason McCoy wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:

I started from scratch when I started working for CCP.

My previous two main characters were a 140m SP Gallente/Amarr close range, armor tanked PvP character and a 170m SP Caldari/Matari ECM Shield tanking and kiting character with maxed out fleet command and gang link skills.

Right now, I'm training to do the same. When something works, don't change it. P


If you had two previous main chars at such high sp why did you restart? Does the job require you to not use your other two mains? what gives?

I am seriously interested in knowing.


when you start working for CCP, all your former characters get gigabanned. Its one of those accountability things implemented after the t20 disaster.

The beatings will continue until posting improves. -Magnus Cortex

Official Eve Online changelist: Togglable PvP. - Jordanna Bauer

Demolishar
United Aggression
#19 - 2013-01-13 21:30:52 UTC
I would not restart. The opportunities of today are extremely limited and it would be truly impossible even to attain the meager sums that I am fortunate enough to have gathered.
Ahril Khurelem
The Blessed Chains of Freedom
#20 - 2013-01-13 23:03:35 UTC
Jason McCoy wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:

I started from scratch when I started working for CCP.

My previous two main characters were a 140m SP Gallente/Amarr close range, armor tanked PvP character and a 170m SP Caldari/Matari ECM Shield tanking and kiting character with maxed out fleet command and gang link skills.

Right now, I'm training to do the same. When something works, don't change it. P


If you had two previous main chars at such high sp why did you restart? Does the job require you to not use your other two mains? what gives?

I am seriously interested in knowing.


Yes, if you start working for CCP, you got to mothball ALL your former characters. You may/should start other characters from scratch to (anonymously) play the game.

If you quit your job at CCP, you'll get your mothballed accounts back (if you want).

Many of the newer (and former - Selene coms to mind) CCP devs have referred to this on air during the tournaments (and at other occasions).
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