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Questions on Logistics/pvp for nullsec
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Ikel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-01-09 20:39:59 UTC
I just returned from the game, and I have primarily flown caldari ships. I am wrapping up some missile skills for my tengu, after which I will be pursuing a logistics ship. I am going to train logi v first, but I am unsure of which ship to cross train for. I already have caldari cruiser V, so i will be able to fly a shield repping basilisk. Initially, I was planning on cross training to minmatar for the scimitar, but I thought it might be wiser to train for an armor repping logi, leaving me to pursue either amarr (guardian) or gallente )oneiros). My long term plan following my logi skills would be to train gun skills for pvp, and amarr and gallente would both satisfy that possibility.
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#2 - 2013-01-09 21:32:55 UTC
From what I understand:


  • Scimitar - Shield logi for being solo logi
  • Basilisk - Shield logi for being part of a cap chain with other Basis
  • Oneiros - Armor logi for being solo logi
  • Guardian - Armor logi for being part of a cap chain with other Guards


So probably best to choose based on the composition of the fleets you'll most likely be flying with.
Ikel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-01-09 22:14:05 UTC
mmk thanks for the breakdown. I plan on joining a larger null sec pvp corp or c4/c5 wh corp, so i imagine for most fleets i will be with other logi. I was initially going for basi and scimitar so i could have a logi for solo and for fleets with multiple logis, but i thought it might be better to get an armor logi for pvp fleets that run armor.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-01-09 22:32:26 UTC
The two most popular generally seem to be the guardian and scimitar. Larger fleets often seem to roll armor. Smaller skirmish fleets go shield.
Ikel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-01-09 23:14:38 UTC
I am leaning towards oneiros for the cap stability. I don't really see getting turned down from an armor fleet because i am flying an oneiros over a guardian, but obviously I could be incorrect.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#6 - 2013-01-10 02:03:32 UTC
I'm not giving any recommendation here. Just info more or less.

The thing about Guardians is, they need another 1 or 2 or 3 in fleet to create a chain. That does not make them 'better' but it still may leave some FC asking you "Y U NO Train a Guardian?"
Which brings up the question: Are you training for YOU? Or an FC/Fleet you may hook up with? In that case you should see what they may need most often.

Amarr Cruiser V does open up some other nice T2 lines
Ditto for all Races though. Think about the T3, Recon, HAC, etc. that you will also achieve.

Scimmy is not just 'solo shield'. It generally is flown in fast moving shield roam fleets. The style of piloting is different imo.

That's about all my little brain can think of atm.. hope it helps.
Arkea Jindoi
Vaermlandsmys Inc.
#7 - 2013-01-13 10:27:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkea Jindoi
Great advice already, just wanted to add a little:

Obviously it will change from alliance to alliance, or even coalition to coalition. Train for all the logis, essentially, because you will be invaluable and won't go unnoticed. Then again, I'm a logi junkie so...

That said, regarding the ship themselves I want to say, as RavenPaine pointed out, the Scimitar fits better in roaming fleets. It's fast and agile, optimal for short-duration engagement due to its cap problem. The Basilisk is more of a Brawl logi, exactly like the Guardian, fit for long duration fights with a lot of DPS, but they aren't as fast, and require, as has been mentioned, the cap chain.

The Oneiros otoh fits both roles. Being armor it has a little more EHP than a scimi (I think at least), but is slower as it's often fit with an AB, which has the effect of being cap stable no matter what. Exception would be AHAC roams I assume.

Anyhow, I would recommend to aim for Scimitar first and Oneiros second, and then see what your corp needs. As it seems now you don't really have a corp goal, so you can use these two without a partner if need be. Good luck.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#8 - 2013-01-13 10:58:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
In a large fleet you will not be the only Logistics ship. Cap chains are not a problem.

In a small gang you may be the only Logistics ship (though you really want to have a buddy to rep you).
Doddy
Excidium.
#9 - 2013-01-14 15:29:08 UTC
Guardian/basilisk - Needs a chain, once in chain is practically neut proof.
Oneiros/scimitar - doesn't need chain but is easily neuted down.

Otherwise they are quite similar in tank etc.

The big discrepency is the basilisk, which is kinda nerfed by being big and slow while the oneiros was buffed to match the guardian in these regards.
Ryuce
#10 - 2013-01-19 01:52:50 UTC
Wauw there is a lot of bad/useless advice here. Best of luck with this.

If you feel like getting useful info, use google or ask the corp you will be joining as they will know exactly which logi's will be needed in their fleet comp's.

Appart from if you join Black Legion, you will most likely be best off training for Scimi (shield doctrines) and Guardian (armor doctrines), if you are joining "a large null sec pvp corp".

Don't forget to look into combat booster related skills (aka drugs). The boosters can greatly effect your logi's abilities.