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Pitrolo Orti
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-01-12 02:41:16 UTC
People run and get your flu shot...even better go get your flu shot and then short bonds and get real life ISK!!! Anyways if you know anything about the market go long TBT and make some money if it is not this year it will be next...if you know what I am talking :P
Good Luck!

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Shalia Ripper
#2 - 2013-01-12 04:51:13 UTC
Step 1 in Zombie Apocalypse - Create influenza epidemic scare
Step 2 in Zombie Apocalypse - Introduce Miracle Cure
Step 3 in Zombie Apocalypse - ?????
Step 4 in Zombie Apocalypse - HEADSHOTS!

Sig blah blah blah blah
Pitrolo Orti
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-01-12 13:09:33 UTC
Shalia Ripper wrote:
Step 1 in Zombie Apocalypse - Create influenza epidemic scare
Step 2 in Zombie Apocalypse - Introduce Miracle Cure
Step 3 in Zombie Apocalypse - ?????
Step 4 in Zombie Apocalypse - HEADSHOTS!


That why I got DayZ to start training for the Zombie Apoc

Price is what you pay. Value is what you get.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#4 - 2013-01-12 13:12:31 UTC
There are studies showing flu shots make people sicker, but none showing they help in any way.

We're just supposed to take the manufacturers opinion that flu shots make you safer. I think i'll pass. Haven't been sick in like 15 years anyway. No injections needed.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#5 - 2013-01-12 13:18:56 UTC
So there is this joke that I heard during the swine flu epidemic (or was it bird flu, dont remember). I have only heard it in danish, so here is a rough translation.

An old man goes to the doctor to get his vaccine for the swine flu. The doctor prepares the vaccine and then puts on a mask.
The old man asks: "Do you really need the mask? I am not sick."
And the doctor replies: "No, but with the current prices of this medicine, it is a daylight robbery."

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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#6 - 2013-01-12 15:31:18 UTC
guess i need to work on my danish humor. Smile
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#7 - 2013-01-12 15:41:09 UTC
Plaster on my arm right now.

She really made me bleed this year, and then had the gall to complain that I bled a lot.

Nurses...

AK

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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#8 - 2013-01-12 15:55:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Bane Necran wrote:
There are studies showing flu shots make people sicker, but none showing they help in any way.

You're exaggerating and somewhat misrepresenting.
IF you manage to get the proper strain vaccine, you will get less sick or maybe not even sick at all.
There's absolutely no question to the fact that vaccines IN GENERAL work, but in some specific cases, it's tricky.

The problem however lies with "similar but incorrect priming" of the immune system which can actually happen in some cases.
This causes the wrong type of antibodies to be initially produced by the white blood cells that THINK they detect the pathogen they have been trained to fight (but the actual pathogen is just similar, not the same, and a different antibody would be needed).
At the same time, the activation of those "incorrectly trained" white blood cells inhibits the fast initial production of other "learning capable" white blood cells, making the infection worse at first than it would have otherwise been.

The really bad news is that flu strains tend to mutate//adapt rather quickly, and often times strains that are similar enough to be confused by your immune system do develop, and in some cases, they end up spreading more than the original strains.
Not just that, but in some years, vaccine strains are not really that well matched with the strains that end up in circulation that season, and the effectiveness can be minimal to begin with.

So, yes, flu shots are a gamble. You could just take the infection as it comes, or you could gamble with it, and either end up a lot better or a lot worse.
People that do not get sick at all because the flu shot worked for them tend to not be able to know for sure it was the flu shot that protected them, so obviously, you'll mostly get reports from the people where the flu shot made things worse.

Overall, yes, statistically speaking, it MIGHT be better to NOT get a flu shot at all, but that's not a certainty.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2013-01-12 17:28:49 UTC
Akita T wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
There are studies showing flu shots make people sicker, but none showing they help in any way.

You're exaggerating and somewhat misrepresenting.
IF you manage to get the proper strain vaccine, you will get less sick or maybe not even sick at all.
There's absolutely no question to the fact that vaccines IN GENERAL work, but in some specific cases, it's tricky.

The problem however lies with "similar but incorrect priming" of the immune system which can actually happen in some cases.
This causes the wrong type of antibodies to be initially produced by the white blood cells that THINK they detect the pathogen they have been trained to fight (but the actual pathogen is just similar, not the same, and a different antibody would be needed).
At the same time, the activation of those "incorrectly trained" white blood cells inhibits the fast initial production of other "learning capable" white blood cells, making the infection worse at first than it would have otherwise been.

The really bad news is that flu strains tend to mutate//adapt rather quickly, and often times strains that are similar enough to be confused by your immune system do develop, and in some cases, they end up spreading more than the original strains.
Not just that, but in some years, vaccine strains are not really that well matched with the strains that end up in circulation that season, and the effectiveness can be minimal to begin with.

So, yes, flu shots are a gamble. You could just take the infection as it comes, or you could gamble with it, and either end up a lot better or a lot worse.
People that do not get sick at all because the flu shot worked for them tend to not be able to know for sure it was the flu shot that protected them, so obviously, you'll mostly get reports from the people where the flu shot made things worse.

Overall, yes, statistically speaking, it MIGHT be better to NOT get a flu shot at all, but that's not a certainty.


TL:DR

You touched someone whith a different type of plague yo.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#10 - 2013-01-12 19:31:23 UTC
Haven't had a flu shot in over 10 years, I just avoid people.

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-01-13 00:18:43 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Akita T wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
There are studies showing flu shots make people sicker, but none showing they help in any way.

You're exaggerating and somewhat misrepresenting.
IF you manage to get the proper strain vaccine, you will get less sick or maybe not even sick at all.
There's absolutely no question to the fact that vaccines IN GENERAL work, but in some specific cases, it's tricky.

The problem however lies with "similar but incorrect priming" of the immune system which can actually happen in some cases.
This causes the wrong type of antibodies to be initially produced by the white blood cells that THINK they detect the pathogen they have been trained to fight (but the actual pathogen is just similar, not the same, and a different antibody would be needed).
At the same time, the activation of those "incorrectly trained" white blood cells inhibits the fast initial production of other "learning capable" white blood cells, making the infection worse at first than it would have otherwise been.

The really bad news is that flu strains tend to mutate//adapt rather quickly, and often times strains that are similar enough to be confused by your immune system do develop, and in some cases, they end up spreading more than the original strains.
Not just that, but in some years, vaccine strains are not really that well matched with the strains that end up in circulation that season, and the effectiveness can be minimal to begin with.

So, yes, flu shots are a gamble. You could just take the infection as it comes, or you could gamble with it, and either end up a lot better or a lot worse.
People that do not get sick at all because the flu shot worked for them tend to not be able to know for sure it was the flu shot that protected them, so obviously, you'll mostly get reports from the people where the flu shot made things worse.

Overall, yes, statistically speaking, it MIGHT be better to NOT get a flu shot at all, but that's not a certainty.


TL:DR

You touched someone whith a different type of plague yo.
baltec nailed it dead center.

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#12 - 2013-01-13 01:02:16 UTC
Akita T wrote:
Overall, yes, statistically speaking, it MIGHT be better to NOT get a flu shot at all, but that's not a certainty.


The only case i can see it being important is with the very weakest people who could be killed by something like a flu. Sick old people and babies, for example. And even then it's a crap shoot, but maybe one worth taking.

In the absolute worst case 'pandemic' scenario you would just have everyone else calling in sick for a couple days. Not dropping dead in the streets like media outlets and drug companies would have people believe. So people should weigh that against the price of a flu vaccine.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2013-01-13 01:05:44 UTC
I left the house to buy a PS3, came back with an AR-15 that shoots AK-47 bullets (7.62 x 39mm) and put a pistol version on order with the gunsmith.

what was that about boom headshot?
Pitrolo Orti
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-01-13 01:24:49 UTC
I think I just got the Flu...I hate people

Price is what you pay. Value is what you get.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#15 - 2013-01-13 01:53:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Bane Necran wrote:
Akita T wrote:
Overall, yes, statistically speaking, it MIGHT be better to NOT get a flu shot at all, but that's not a certainty.

The only case i can see it being important is with the very weakest people who could be killed by something like a flu. Sick old people and babies, for example.

Or if you're a person that works in a time-critical job and can't afford the downtime.
Or if you can't afford to take a few sick days if they are unpaid ones (either crappy job benefits, or you're self-employed, etc).
Or if you work a lot with the public, or if you're a teacher, or if you have "at risk" people at home and you want to not get them sick, or, or...

Quote:
people should weigh that against the price of a flu vaccine.

You mean, the rough ballpark price of a large pizza, or a pair of movie tickets, or the price of a nice bottle of wine ?
I have no idea how much the flu shot costs around your parts, but over here it's something around 10 euro tops, and you can probably find it at half that price too.
It doesn't sound like a significant once-per season (or even once-per-year) expense.
Some people can even get it for free, through whatever medical insurance they might have.

If it works and it saves you even just a couple of hours of discomfort it would already be worth the cost, IMO.

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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#16 - 2013-01-13 02:48:58 UTC
Pitrolo Orti wrote:
People run and get your flu shot...even better go get your flu shot and then short bonds and get real life ISK!!! Anyways if you know anything about the market go long TBT and make some money if it is not this year it will be next...if you know what I am talking :P
Good Luck!


Flus don't bother me. I just shake my Banhammer at them and they go away.
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Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2013-01-13 03:32:08 UTC
when you have the Chaplain pacing the hall outside the medic office, ranting and swearing about the annual mandatory flu sickness...

makes you stop and think, hey, maybe this *is* dumb.

I thought maybe it was because we're Americans and, being American, we decided to fight sickness with preemptive, overwhelming sickness. I'm surprised to learn the resentment transcends language; love, laughter, tears, and the flu vaccine.
Quintos Gaius Kaltos
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-01-13 05:28:25 UTC
I'd still like to believe that is was less an issue of OH GOD SUPERFLU, and more that people are just a bit more whiny.
But the ER has been pretty packed almost since Christmas so there's that.
Keeps me in the job.
stoicfaux
#19 - 2013-01-13 05:54:56 UTC
Follow the money. If the flu vaccine didn't work, insurance companies probably wouldn't cover it.

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Sodium Canine
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-01-13 08:18:18 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
[quote=Akita T].

In the absolute worst case 'pandemic' scenario you would just have everyone else calling in sick for a couple days. Not dropping dead in the streets like media outlets and drug companies would have people believe. So people should weigh that against the price of a flu vaccine.



Google "Spanish Flu".

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