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CCP make a video/trailer with the Federation destroying the Leviathan at Old Caldari

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Mithril Ryder
Genstar Inc
Villore Accords
#21 - 2013-01-13 00:22:08 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Vikarion wrote:
Eli Green wrote:
Vikarion wrote:
Naw, CCP has been waiting for Gallente to take all systems for years, otherwise they won't get the chance to screw over Caldari RPers again by having Caldari Prime "liberated". Bet we get a news article tomorrow, next week at latest. And you can bet those "ebul Caldari" have been killing Gallente civilians in job lots. Hey, Heth's probably also a clone of hit-ler. Yay.


Although the tinfoil hat is strong here I agree with the jist of your post. CCP seems to be making EVE more black and white and less grey, in reality all of the factions are equally bad.

Also a lot of people are unaware of the negative aspects of the Gal/Min (see race intros), neither the Gal or Min intro points to the fact that each of them have bad sides. Which isn't exactly "fair" but such is life.


It took them about three months to even acknowledge the Caldari taking all systems. It took them about two weeks to report when the Gallente finally took some back. They waited until the Gallente had almost all the systems during the see-saw, then introduced the patch that made retaking systems much harder in one of the fastest patches Eve has ever seen, with virtually no warning. The Gallente took all the systems yesterday, and there is an official IGS post about it the next day. Maybe it's all one big coincidence, but my reliance on that hypothesis decreases as coincidences pile up.


The IGS post was made by me.

Back when the Caldari took all the systems and dominated factional warfare, there was pretty much no Live Events team around to do anything of the sort. I also didn't work for the company, or I'd have made a post from the Caldari Navy back then.

Now we have a solid, sizable team and the whole concept of Live Events has ownership within the company, we're able to do more.

It's interesting to see how attitudes have changed from the Militias though. It always seems that the Militia on the losing side, regardless of which side of factional warfare we're talking about, accuses the other side of exploiting or botting, or accuses CCP of bias toward the side that's winning. This has been a back and forth that's gone on since factional warfare was introduced.

The fact of the matter is that roleplay and backstory in EVE is changing dramatically, it's becoming far more interactive and dynamic. It's been slow moving for the last few years, because development focus has been elsewhere, and with good reason. Now it's picking up again, and posts like what's on the IGS are just the start.

My advice would be not to waste your energy on creating negative posts like this on the forums. Times are changing, there'll be a LOT of changes in the coming months as to how the four empires are perceived and how their image and politics is played out.

If you want to be part of it, want to influence it, and want to make your mark on EVE's backstory, then you need to get in game, start interacting with your faction contact and make a difference. Hundreds of people are already doing so, and from the feedback I've received are thoroughly enjoying what's going on so far.

Where were you when the Caldari Navy pounded the Guristas in October/November?
Where were you when Heth got shot, and the Caldari Navy blockaded New Caldari Prime with supercapitals in December?

This is EVE, and as the guy who's organizing Live Events from now on, I want them to reflect that. People are going to have to fight for the taste of victory.

The Gallente fought tooth and nail to occupy these systems, so did the Caldari when they claimed them all. The Caldari got a medal, the Gallente have received a public acknowledgement from the Commanding Officer of the Federation Navy.

I'm sorry if it sounds harsh, but you only have yourself to blame when things aren't going your way if you don't actively rally enough people and fight to assist the faction you pledged loyalty to.

The days of supporting a faction with a few forum posts are over. From here on, you're going to be expected to put your guns into action, or flex your industrial might to do so.



tl;dr:
"We have altered the rules; pray we do not alter them further". -CCP


On a more serious note, when is CCP going to address the serious timezone bias of live events? The best solution, imho, is to have more of them, at all times of the day, perhaps with a slight bias to weekends (when many of us can stray outside of our 9-5 workweek schedules :) )
Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
Villore Accords
#22 - 2013-01-13 00:30:06 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
The Caldari got a medal, the Gallente have received a public acknowledgement from the Commanding Officer of the Federation Navy.

I'm expecting a medal. And it better have lots of character to it. I put a lot into this effort, and sorry a forum post doesn't cut it. Militaries give out campaign medals and badges routinely, expecially in victory.Blink

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

Trickster Coyote
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-01-13 00:33:58 UTC
Live events are constantly out of my Alliance's main time zone. This is a problem common across most of Gallente pilots.

Not only do we have issues attending them due to the time, but you run the ones in lowsec right during prime time for certain large pirate groups, making our involvement impossible.


CCP Falcon
#24 - 2013-01-13 00:37:46 UTC
Trickster Coyote wrote:
Live events are constantly out of my Alliance's main time zone. This is a problem common across most of Gallente pilots.

Not only do we have issues attending them due to the time, but you run the ones in lowsec right during prime time for certain large pirate groups, making our involvement impossible.




This is probably something you want to take to the Live Events forum, and we can discuss it there.

We're already looking at hosting Live Events away from the normal EU timezone though, there are several threads about it there Smile

CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon

Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3

Trickster Coyote
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-01-13 00:41:03 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Trickster Coyote wrote:
Live events are constantly out of my Alliance's main time zone. This is a problem common across most of Gallente pilots.

Not only do we have issues attending them due to the time, but you run the ones in lowsec right during prime time for certain large pirate groups, making our involvement impossible.




This is probably something you want to take to the Live Events forum, and we can discuss it there.

We're already looking at hosting Live Events away from the normal EU timezone though, there are several threads about it there Smile



That's cool, and I'll bring my issues there. However, you brought it up here, so I mentioned it here.


I'm also throwing my hat into the ring with the ''medal'' bunch. A forum post that'll be buried in 2 months isn't an equatable option.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#26 - 2013-01-13 00:41:24 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Times are changing, there'll be a LOT of changes in the coming months as to how the four empires are perceived and how their image and politics is played out.

i hope you can move amarr away from the pure evil racist, slavery image. Its probably the most negative perceived faction out there.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value

CCP Falcon
#27 - 2013-01-13 00:45:22 UTC
Trickster Coyote wrote:
I'm also throwing my hat into the ring with the ''medal'' bunch. A forum post that'll be buried in 2 months isn't an equatable option.


Well, I'm not responsible for making that call, but we'll see what happens Smile

CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon

Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#28 - 2013-01-13 01:19:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
So CCP Falcon how hard would it be to have a Scope or ACN actor/guy to live stream some of these events with only a local/story player fleet channel pulled up? to archive for historical purposes for those who do miss out? He wouldn't have to do much other that show up and maybe focus camera on interesting events as they happen.

I'd like to think live events needs more advertising. I keep telling stories how a Jovian admiral went rogue and it took over 200 battleships to deal with him, and constantly get balked at.

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.

CCP Falcon
#29 - 2013-01-13 02:12:23 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
So CCP Falcon how hard would it be to have a Scope or ACN actor/guy to live stream some of these events with only a local/story player fleet channel pulled up? to archive for historical purposes for those who do miss out? He wouldn't have to do much other that show up and maybe focus camera on interesting events as they happen.

I'd like to think live events needs more advertising. I keep telling stories how a Jovian admiral went rogue and it took over 200 battleships to deal with him, and constantly get balked at.


Again, this type of discussion is already ongoing on the Live Events forum, this one is not the place for it P

CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon

Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3

CCP Falcon
#30 - 2013-01-13 02:16:43 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
...Jovian...


Sorry... the who?


CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon

Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#31 - 2013-01-13 02:54:52 UTC
uhmm... I suddenly don't remember anymore.

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Shaalira D'arc
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-01-13 03:05:30 UTC
Jovian technology: erasing the memories of players as well as characters.
Vikarion
Doomheim
#33 - 2013-01-13 07:43:15 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

The IGS post was made by me.

Back when the Caldari took all the systems and dominated factional warfare, there was pretty much no Live Events team around to do anything of the sort. I also didn't work for the company, or I'd have made a post from the Caldari Navy back then.

Now we have a solid, sizable team and the whole concept of Live Events has ownership within the company, we're able to do more.


I'm tempted to say "nice timing", but that wouldn't be fair. I get the fact that CCP can't be everywhere at once. On the other hand, it would be appreciated if CCP could understand that it's a bit jarring to go from a nearly complete lack of interaction when one's own side is winning to immediate recognition when the opposing side is. Combine this with the reports that some CCP employees are apparently involved on the Gallente side of FW, and it's hard not think that the company is cheering for one side. Combine that with The Empyrean Age, which most definitely took sides and advocated for them, and one begins to become fairly jaded.

CCP Falcon wrote:
It's interesting to see how attitudes have changed from the Militias though. It always seems that the Militia on the losing side, regardless of which side of factional warfare we're talking about, accuses the other side of exploiting or botting, or accuses CCP of bias toward the side that's winning. This has been a back and forth that's gone on since factional warfare was introduced.


Before the 24 hour patch, no one was complaining when the Gals took most of the systems, or when the Caldari did. Sure, it was LP farming, but it also took tons of work to flip all those systems, hit Tier 4, etc. What the Caldari side is complaining about is what CCP did, which from the outside, looked precisely like a strategy designed to destroy the Caldari FW effort. When you are going to put in a patch that effectively ends a see-saw condition, you either reset the playing field or you wait for it to become even. At the very least, you give warning. Waiting until Gallente were on the upswing and then sending through a patch that would assure that they stayed there (given the farming army, especially) could not have been better designed to make it look like you were taking sides.

Now, there are people on both sides who try to cheat. Fine. But I'm not complaining about that, at least as a major point. What I'm complaining about is the method in which a necessary change was implemented in such a way as to greatly benefit one side. And I wouldn't like it even if I were on the opposite side - I'd certainly reject it if you offered it to the Caldari - because it cheapens the victory.

CCP Falcon wrote:
The fact of the matter is that roleplay and backstory in EVE is changing dramatically, it's becoming far more interactive and dynamic. It's been slow moving for the last few years, because development focus has been elsewhere, and with good reason. Now it's picking up again, and posts like what's on the IGS are just the start.


Yeah, I don't mind forum posts by NPCs, it's actually pretty interesting and engaging. And since you've explained why they are coming now, rather than earlier, I don't object to how quickly they occur. But have you tallied up how often State personnel make posts, as opposed to, say, Federation ones? Currently, State RP feels like a black hole from the NPC side. And, moreover, it would be very nice if Caldari were not portrayed as either incompetent or evil when they do show up.

CCP Falcon wrote:
My advice would be not to waste your energy on creating negative posts like this on the forums. Times are changing, there'll be a LOT of changes in the coming months as to how the four empires are perceived and how their image and politics is played out.


I don't have high hopes for this. And, frankly, there's a reason why older RPers are usually referred to as "bittervets". Most Caldari and Amarr players feel that their factions have been folded, spindled, and mutilated beyond recognition, to the point that Amarr players are flying for insane evil slavers and the Caldari players are trying to justify in RL why they are flying under the banner of a Hitler-expy. Most Caldari signed up because they loved the corporate society, the cyber-punk atmosphere of the State, and the "duty, family, and honor" motif. They didn't sign up to be space facists, which is essentially what we get called every time we undock. It's not even that it's annoying, it's boring
Vikarion
Doomheim
#34 - 2013-01-13 08:15:40 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
If you want to be part of it, want to influence it, and want to make your mark on EVE's backstory, then you need to get in game, start interacting with your faction contact and make a difference. Hundreds of people are already doing so, and from the feedback I've received are thoroughly enjoying what's going on so far.

Where were you when the Caldari Navy pounded the Guristas in October/November?
Where were you when Heth got shot, and the Caldari Navy blockaded New Caldari Prime with supercapitals in December?


Oh, gee, why didn't I think of that? Oh, right, I did. I have contacted my faction contact, and what I got in return was about as useful for my RP or anything else as a fork for eating chowder. I'm glad others are enjoying their interactions, as for me, mine rather encouraged me to relocate my efforts solely to space.

Anyway, during those two events, I imagine I was at work, because CCP believes that only Europeans should get access to live events. Sarcasm, yes, but if you're going to ask a question like that, you rather deserve a sarcastic answer. I understand that CCP employees are not enamored of getting up at one in the morning to do a live event, and I don't quibble with your right to a good night's sleep. But to turn that around and then use it as a rhetorical cudgel, when I, too, have a life, is insulting. And unfair. I have made an effort to involve myself in live events, and have the killmail of a Sansha actor's Wyvern and his corpse (which I podded) to prove it. But I can't make it to every live event.

CCP Falcon wrote:
This is EVE, and as the guy who's organizing Live Events from now on, I want them to reflect that. People are going to have to fight for the taste of victory.


Seems reasonable. On the other hand, as noted, you've managed to create a breach of trust (via the patch) with many on one faction's side, and perhaps more, because I am aware of many unhappy Amarrian RPers as well. We don't know that it will be fair from here on out, in fact, given previous live events (such as the Bleak Lands), it seems rather obvious that CCP might continue with side-picking behavior. I'm not sure what way you have out of this, but you might consider being more careful about decisions which appear biased from an outside perspective.

CCP Falcon wrote:
The Gallente fought tooth and nail to occupy these systems, so did the Caldari when they claimed them all. The Caldari got a medal, the Gallente have received a public acknowledgement from the Commanding Officer of the Federation Navy.


Actually, I think the Gallente should get a medal. I'm certainly not saying that they shouldn't, I'm criticizing how CCP aided them - however intentionally or not - in getting there. But we can't be denying players a reward because the company screwed up. That would be...well, punishment of the innocent.

CCP Falcon wrote:
I'm sorry if it sounds harsh, but you only have yourself to blame when things aren't going your way if you don't actively rally enough people and fight to assist the faction you pledged loyalty to.


Yes, yes, and how am I to rally them when they can point to the above issue and say "why should I fight when they'll just pull that again?"

I can't speak for the entire militia, but I can speak for those I've heard, and the discouragement and anger doesn't come from Gallente efforts, or even perceived cheating, but by the way CCP handled the defensive changes that made keeping systems so much easier. At this point, we expect that if we retake systems, or even take Gallente systems, we can expect a nerf to LP and to other benefits that accrue from such success.

CCP Falcon wrote:
The days of supporting a faction with a few forum posts are over. From here on, you're going to be expected to put your guns into action, or flex your industrial might to do so.


This is the line the most tempts me to start spewing obscenities. I've been a Caldari RPer, and a PvPer, for a long time. I've had to take breaks from the game now and then, usually to real life considerations, but I've flown with some of the most venerable Caldari corporations, and participated greatly in the long history of Eve. I've fought in Placid, in Essence, Black Rise, and Lonetrek. When I decided that my RP required bringing my Angel standings up from -9.89, I went to Syndicate and ran missions for three months solo and without blues to raise my standings, since the Syndicate was the only corporation I could raise them by missioning for. I exploded a phantasm (when they were expensive) over Gallente Prime as a protest at a Federation Day celebration. I've fueled POS's and run goods through pirate infested low-sec as part of a Caldari industrial organization. And I've flown beside Damar Rocarion, Super Chair, Cosmic Raider, and other long time Caldari warriors, and killed (and been killed by) people like Val Erian, X Gallentius, Seriphyn Inhonores, Chatgris, Hussain, and other long time Gallente FWers.

So, the days of supporting the State with a few posts are over. Oh, my, whatever shall I do? Well, probably what I have been doing for most of my time with internet spaceships - putting my ISK on the line, doing exactly what I say I'll do, and killing every opponent I can. Your contempt and condescension...well, I hope you enjoyed displaying it. I don't think that I find myself particularly vulnerable to it.
Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
#35 - 2013-01-13 13:10:22 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
A direct attack on the leviathan wouldn't be in the cards. A more covert operation perhaps. An operative that has a deep cover and been in the caldari navy for years gets his duty rotation to the leviathan and does a little sabotage and slips off the ship and a little bit later the ship has massive failure in some system that results in the ship being destroyed.


Never say never, in live events the Caldari Navy Leviathan in Luminaire could be at the center of new story line development.
CCP Falcon
#36 - 2013-01-13 15:12:20 UTC

If you guys want to talk Live Events, take it over to the right forum.

This one is not the place for it, and this thread has already slid off topic enough Smile

CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon

Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3

X Gallentius
Black Eagle5
Villore Accords
#37 - 2013-01-14 03:18:29 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

The days of supporting a faction with a few forum posts are over. From here on, you're going to be expected to put your guns into action, or flex your industrial might to do so.
+1. The one thing I am somewhat disappointed is the lack of in-game effort expended by roleplayers. Too much bluster on forums, not enough action in-game. Glad to see things are going to change.
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