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I feel WiS should be looked at as a F2P MMO that ties HEAVILY in to EvE
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Mirima Thurander
#1 - 2011-10-24 05:26:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Mirima Thurander
Before you post i want this to be more of a discussion on how you see WiS turning out if its ever completed.






I feel WiS should be looked at as a F2P MMO that ties HEAVILY in to EvE, It just seams that it would work better that way more so than just a cheap add on to EvE for the because we can.

Think of the F2P station dwellers as the peasants in the middle ages, and the pod pilots as the kings of the age. Something a F2P station dweller would think of a expensive 300 - 500 isks a pod pilot would look at as dirt cheap.


1 - It gets its own severs for the inside of stations - no competing with FiS for sever recourses.

2 - Nex store for WiS items - lots of stuff for cheap.

3 - WiS F2P MMO has its own in station market for WiS items.

4 - Still uses Isk but no 30million isk items WiS F2P people should feel as if having 4 or 5 million isk is alot of money.

5 - it could end up being a big tie in between dust and EvE.



i see it working out like such


EvE sub

You are a capsule pilot you are genetically superior to all the other EvE dwellers, you are the rich and famous your a demigod that cant die and have all the time you wish. WiS items are dirt cheap to you, or you can build them yourself. WiS is where pod pilots go to play and waste isks and have fun out side of flying space ships. Buying property inside of a station is easy for you running a in-station business it's a hobby with a small amount of income.

You are immortal you can do any thing you wish.


F2P WiS MMO

Your a station dweller in the EvE universe of whatever station you decide to live on, Maybe you work at a business ran by a capsule pilot, Maybe you run your own business, if you read this and post a 2 i will send you 500 isks Maybe you sell black market boosters out of a store room on L34 A to Pod pilots, Maybe you run a under ground fight ring, Maybe you sell guns and ammo out of your store that you buy from pod pilots to Dust mercs.

You live on a station and your happy with it.



F2P Dust MMO

You are a immortal solder of fortune, Running a clothing store is just not for you you would rather be run and gunning than sitting behind some bar somewhere selling drinks, maybe you fly plains for you merc group, or drive a tank, or you just love fire arms so your a foot solder.

You wage war for profit and fun, and your happy with it.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Jooce McNasty
Islefive Consulting
#2 - 2011-10-24 05:31:52 UTC
If WIS is developed without affecting FIS I am all for this but if it takes 1 dev away from FIS scrap the whole idea. Fix the main part of the game first then work on the Barbie doll sim later.
Mirima Thurander
#3 - 2011-10-24 05:33:25 UTC
Jooce McNasty wrote:
If WIS is developed without affecting FIS I am all for this but if it takes 1 dev away from FIS scrap the whole idea. Fix the main part of the game first then work on the Barbie doll sim later.




i had a part in there about using the dust Devs to work on WiS but after the forums ate my first try i forgot to add it back in

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#4 - 2011-10-24 05:35:03 UTC
The real question and why many find WiS pointless is what is there to do? You can't base a F2P mmo based off of just walking around a station. There is very little content or things to actually do.

Also no on the f2p idea. F2P is a plague on the current gaming market and really downgrades the industry. Since most F2P are halfass developed, have very little depth, and try to play on peoples weakness to impulse buying.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Mara Tessidar
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-10-24 05:35:49 UTC
It's threads like this that made CCP think Incarna could work
Jooce McNasty
Islefive Consulting
#6 - 2011-10-24 05:41:57 UTC
Dust won't just be released then have the Dev team move on. The style of game it is will have a continual DEV team assigned to it.

Maybe once it is out they will be able to reduce the number of Dust Dev's but does that even mean the DEV's that are being re-assigned are suitable for the task of developing WIS? Also we don't know by that point if CCP will be back in the BLACK if they are not back in black you might possibly see some of the dev's from dust let go..

On top of that I believe that CCP Shanghai was developing DUST, with CCP refocusing their strategy they might not want to separate the development of WIS to Shanghai when they are seeming to move most of their EVE development to their Icelandic location. (From what I've read of the articles it seems that they are trying to keep EVE development / Support in one location)
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#7 - 2011-10-24 05:51:42 UTC
Jooce McNasty wrote:
Dust won't just be released then have the Dev team move on. The style of game it is will have a continual DEV team assigned to it.

Maybe once it is out they will be able to reduce the number of Dust Dev's but does that even mean the DEV's that are being re-assigned are suitable for the task of developing WIS? Also we don't know by that point if CCP will be back in the BLACK if they are not back in black you might possibly see some of the dev's from dust let go..

On top of that I believe that CCP Shanghai was developing DUST, with CCP refocusing their strategy they might not want to separate the development of WIS to Shanghai when they are seeming to move most of their EVE development to their Icelandic location. (From what I've read of the articles it seems that they are trying to keep EVE development / Support in one location)


Majority of development time for F2Ps are done prerelease. Once released Dust will only need a skeleton crew of devs to fix bugs and add things to sell. Its one of the appeals of the F2P market from a company standpoint, which is low post-release development cost.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Mirima Thurander
#8 - 2011-10-24 05:52:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Mirima Thurander
for WiS to work there would have to be a risk vs reward its cant be 100% safe but it cant be a COD free for all death match ether.



i have high hopes for WiS some day but i cant come up with a clear game plan for it my self and i have no idea what CCPs planning for it.


so brain storming for stuff to do in WIS


my first idea for a goal while in WiS mode, the ability to gather enough isk in WiS to buy a plex.
i see that as being a goal for some people, plex is not free game time someone payed CCP for that plex

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Cur
Back Door Burglars
#9 - 2011-10-24 06:47:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Cur
But WiS is allready free to play.


But it has Aids, herpes and various other STD's, hense they will never connect it up to eve as a free to play game that ties in with eve online.



go Here to play you're little WiS game, and please, for the love of god, never come back.
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
#10 - 2011-10-24 07:19:16 UTC
It's already bad enough having cancerous microtransactions in a sandbox game, but now you want to remove a feature that's been talked about being added to EVE since 2006. Not only that but you want it completely monetized with microtransactions.

You do realise that people aren't just annoyed that WiS isn't in the game as yet, but are also pissed off about CCP trying to triple-dip with EVE having subscriptions, PLEX and microtransactions.

I don't know about others, but I have no interest in a WiS model like your suggesting.

Nex (Cash Shop) / Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future.

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#11 - 2011-10-24 07:26:45 UTC
If the time and money and resources did allow for it... then yeah I'd go for making walking in stations the free to play content in eve. Hopefully dust players can hang out as well. I mean it really could go in alot of directions, the second life restricted to eve format being the most obvious with some eve like activies added into it like betting on a splitters minmatar contest. Or that gallente mind avatar verses game I forgot the name of.

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Mirima Thurander
#12 - 2011-10-24 16:45:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Mirima Thurander
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
It's already bad enough having cancerous microtransactions in a sandbox game, but now you want to remove a feature that's been talked about being added to EVE since 2006. Not only that but you want it completely monetized with microtransactions.

You do realise that people aren't just annoyed that WiS isn't in the game as yet, but are also pissed off about CCP trying to triple-dip with EVE having subscriptions, PLEX and microtransactions.

I don't know about others, but I have no interest in a WiS model like your suggesting.





you here F2P and go LOLOLOL NO

the only way that CCP can get Wis done would be to work on it like its a MMO in its self because in less there's something to do inside of stations there no reason to go there.




WiS as a F2P mmo means there's a

separate Dev team for WiS content

going to always have a population, you know so stations don't look like all thos other mmos full of ghosts towns

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
#13 - 2011-10-24 19:31:07 UTC
Quote:
Message body can not be empty.Why do you want to post an empty message?


Because my 3000 character long reply vanished as I pushed the post button.


So, where was I ?

Ah yes, I agree with OP. That's how CCP should have handled it. It would have allowed them to:

1) Satisfy the non-eve players who claim that they would enjoy eve if only they could walk around with a character. This statement is of course highly illogical, but CCP management fell for it hoping to magically raise the number of subscriptions.

2) They could have tested their items market in a safe area instead of putting off their existing and loyal customers.

3) They could have implemented this shift from subscription based to P2P or whatever model, again without pissing of loyal customers.

4) A stand-alone F2P WIS with a possible link to the spaceship part, (say you buy a PLEX to fly around for a month and get your skills trained) might even have been a way to market eve to new customers.

... and then I also said in my 3000 character long post that CCP's marketing department are a bunch of effing lyers. I really don't like the way they announced Incarna as "finally you can walk in stations, as promised" expansion. The eve is real campaign sucked. And the "Look, our CEO apologized ... now all is well" makes me cringe inside.

I believe that Hilmar's words were meant honestly. So let them speak for themselves. Don't add a marketing spin to it. get lost in a wormhole please.

J.

Don't anger the forum gods.

ISD Buldath:

> I Saw, I came, I Frowned, I locked, I posted, and I left.
Mirima Thurander
#14 - 2011-10-24 21:35:48 UTC
im glad someone under stands how it should be done, i don't see why CCP could not have done it that way.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2011-10-24 21:40:17 UTC
incarna should be shelved as clearly it attracts worse posters than any aspect of eve besides mining

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
T' Elk
Strategically Bad
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2011-10-24 21:52:38 UTC
Where's the dislike button? Seriously, OP should be shunned for presenting an idea that would make eve worse. With F2P comes great failure, as well as many more scrubs.

~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~ I come back after 2 years to THIS? ~Now 4 years apparently
Taint
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2011-10-24 21:56:23 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
how you see WiS turning out. [/b]



I see you and an airlock tbh.
Mirima Thurander
#18 - 2011-10-24 21:58:11 UTC
and inserted a prof that no one reads past F2P

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.