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Lord Rixus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-01-12 13:12:38 UTC
I suggest that when one side wins, everyone simply gets a one time reward of some kind and the battlefield resets.. and we start over.

Maybe a little immersion breaking, but I dont see why they cant do that... then everyone who band wagons to one side can jump back across the aisle at the reset, and hopefully the blob might go a different way than before.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#22 - 2013-01-12 13:23:47 UTC
I havn't done any math tbh.

But you get significantly more pr lp

But you're right there is probably some difference



Not enough to whine about though.. HTFU and be better?

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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#23 - 2013-01-12 13:25:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Veshta Yoshida
Lord Rixus wrote:
I suggest that when one side wins, everyone simply gets a one time reward of some kind and the battlefield resets.. and we start over.

Maybe a little immersion breaking, but I dont see why they cant do that... then everyone who band wagons to one side can jump back across the aisle at the reset, and hopefully the blob might go a different way than before.

Good plan except for the obvious: Territorial control is 99% alt based and unless an individual has a specific need for LP from "the other side" there is no reason to move anywhere ..
More likely scenario is that it would spawn even more alts and the farm kicking into high gear with both sides staying in tier3, getting 175% LP ...

The farmers need to die or their influence on the warzones removed .. CCP wants to and in their own delusional way tried to with the rat/plex changes but I doubt you'll find more than a handful (probably farmhand controllers Smile) willing to say that it worked.
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
I havn't done any math tbh.

But you get significantly more pr lp

But you're right there is probably some difference

Not enough to whine about though.. HTFU and be better?

Significantly in Eve, when it comes to ISK, does not apply to <25% except when/if the competition has the same base amount available .. but the gap between T1 and T5 is so wide that the present market differences would barely register as a the proverbial drop in an ocean.
Tier 1 FW LP is so low that you get better returns doing vanilla missions .. pretty badly designed.

PS: I am still Danish so I will ALWAYS find something to whine about .. we invented the goddamn Ombudsman concept back in medieval times to cater to just those urges!!!!
ground ctrl
Goose Swarm Coalition
#24 - 2013-01-12 14:04:41 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
We aren't going to go completely off of the map. The impending Gallente invasion looks like it might be delayed. The systems that have been lost are the ones that are not 'home systems'. There are also quite a few Minmatar systems that are up there in terms of contested percentage.

As bad as T1 is its nowhere close to the quadruple priced debacle it was prior to Oct 22. If isk is a concern create jump clones around the battlefield. Dedicate one day a week to plexing a backwater system for yourself. At T2 I can pull in 400k a day. T1 should still net you 200k. You have a large selection of systems to plex as well so you wint be interrupted often.



Before october 22 the mechanics were such that every faction could cash out at tier 4 if not tier 5. Now the losing side just sort of stagnates with no hope of parity.

October 22nd had some good things and some bad things.

Good:
1)reduce farming by forcing the npcs to be killed and balancing the rats.
2)nerfing the income to be something close to inline

Bad:
1) Ending cashouts which use to assure no side would have a permant economic advantage. This change removed medium term goals and strategy, changed fw into a big long neverending grind, and made it so its advantageous to join the winning side instead of losing side.

2) giving lp for defensive plexing
Dan Carter Murray
#25 - 2013-01-12 14:21:33 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
I havn't done any math tbh.

But you get significantly more pr lp

But you're right there is probably some difference



Not enough to whine about though.. HTFU and be better?


i'm mad that your math sucks. this is a slap in the face to education systems everywhere.

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ground ctrl
Goose Swarm Coalition
#26 - 2013-01-12 16:48:21 UTC  |  Edited by: ground ctrl
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
I havn't done any math tbh.

But you get significantly more pr lp

But you're right there is probably some difference



Not enough to whine about though.. HTFU and be better?


you should do the math.

it's foolish to try to take back the space . it's much better to just put an alt on the winning side and cash in on all the work they put in while getting paid a fraction what our alts will get.

or caldari could start a long grind for peanuts and if they succeed we can then put our alts in caldari militia and make more than the fools who ground round the clock to get us there.

if you don't like that then blame the October 22 changes not the people who act rationally in a sandbox game.
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
#27 - 2013-01-12 16:57:04 UTC
Interesting point to be made here.

Holding an ihub grants some upgradable things, nothing inherently useful.

Holding 100% warzone control should give you more things to sink LP into, like whole system upgrades.

Like for example, a smartbomb upgrade for stargates with a big flashing red button for the corp/alliance that owns it. "trying to camp our home system are you? Sod that" *KABOOM*

or a device you can anchor to the iHub that has a % chance of unleashing a DD on any hostile capital deployed on grid, chance increasing with the number of caps deployed.

or a bioweapon you can use to effectively blap whole planets of their dusties and PI structures.

The people crying about broken mechanics haven't seen ANYTHING yet :P
subtle turtle
Doozer Mining Cartel
#28 - 2013-01-12 17:38:38 UTC
Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:
Interesting point to be made here.

Holding an ihub grants some upgradable things, nothing inherently useful.

Holding 100% warzone control should give you more things to sink LP into, like whole system upgrades.

Like for example, a smartbomb upgrade for stargates with a big flashing red button for the corp/alliance that owns it. "trying to camp our home system are you? Sod that" *KABOOM*

or a device you can anchor to the iHub that has a % chance of unleashing a DD on any hostile capital deployed on grid, chance increasing with the number of caps deployed.

or a bioweapon you can use to effectively blap whole planets of their dusties and PI structures.

The people crying about broken mechanics haven't seen ANYTHING yet :P


OOOOO

I want a FW "Deathstar" that can actually remove planets from the warzone (but can be taken out by a lucky shot from a rifter)!

Hell, I would actually grind LP for that. Until then, I will keep using plexes for what they should be used for, which is finding good PVP in small ships. The limited LP I make from that is more than enough to cover the t1 ship losses I incur (and the occasional blingy ship if I so choose).
ALUCARD 1208
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#29 - 2013-01-12 18:30:10 UTC
im gallente the winning side but have an amar alt cos ur lps are worth more for the equivelant item in lp store the navy mega sells for no were near a napoc same with the domi to the neddon


simples ur lp is worth more

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Gunship
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2013-01-12 18:47:43 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
im gallente the winning side but have an amar alt cos ur lps are worth more for the equivelant item in lp store the navy mega sells for no were near a napoc same with the domi to the neddon


simples ur lp is worth more


Lets face it you only have an alt since ther are no more off. plexes to be done....

T1 is stupid and T4 and above is taking the ****.

T2 for all (or T2.5 if you want to split hairs)

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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#31 - 2013-01-12 18:54:45 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
im gallente the winning side but have an amar alt cos ur lps are worth more for the equivelant item in lp store the navy mega sells for no were near a napoc same with the domi to the neddon


simples ur lp is worth more

Lets do some look-ups shall we .. http://eve-central.com/ got you covered!
Navy Dominix: 270M
Navy Armageddon: 300M

Navy Megathron: 410M
Navy Apocalypse: 500M

Why yes you are absolutely right, Amarr LP is indeed worth more .. oh why did I not see that, nothing to worry about at all .. my beautiful teeth gnashed to dust for no reason!!

Question: Is <25% price advantage worth getting 200+% less LP to barter with in the first place?

Again, the "worth more" is a fairytale. Would you like to try again?
ground ctrl
Goose Swarm Coalition
#32 - 2013-01-12 19:45:11 UTC
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
im gallente the winning side but have an amar alt cos ur lps are worth more for the equivelant item in lp store the navy mega sells for no were near a napoc same with the domi to the neddon


simples ur lp is worth more

Lets do some look-ups shall we .. http://eve-central.com/ got you covered!
Navy Dominix: 270M
Navy Armageddon: 300M

Navy Megathron: 410M
Navy Apocalypse: 500M

Why yes you are absolutely right, Amarr LP is indeed worth more .. oh why did I not see that, nothing to worry about at all .. my beautiful teeth gnashed to dust for no reason!!

Question: Is <25% price advantage worth getting 200+% less LP to barter with in the first place?

Again, the "worth more" is a fairytale. Would you like to try again?




Please don't disabuse him of his market strategies. Players who can't count makes life in eve so much easier for players who can.
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#33 - 2013-01-12 19:57:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
Takanuro wrote:

Gunship, you yourself said you were putting an alt in minnie militia! Can't have your cake and eat it!

Unless we can maintain owning a few more systems than we do presently, T2 is not going to be held. I'm sure lots of corps are asking themselves what loyalty to Amarr actually means in a game with screwed up mechanics like FW is at the moment.

I've not seen any dev posts any the multitude of recent FW posts regarding farming etc though so there is nothing to indicate there will be any kind of intervention from them. Any Devs want to saying something please do!




The Devs are happy because they are disconnected from the player base and have no real clue about the problems of the game, that the players encounter. They look at numbers and spread sheets not forum posts.

Numbers & spread sheets show more kills & ships blown up as well as more activity, this over shadows any broken mechanics and complaints. Far as CCP is concerned it's job well done, lets move on to make null sec even worse.

Honestly this is why I wish they would of just left FW alone the way it was a year ago, because their track record for fixing things usually ends up with it being much worse at the end.
ALUCARD 1208
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#34 - 2013-01-12 20:31:29 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
Gunship wrote:
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
im gallente the winning side but have an amar alt cos ur lps are worth more for the equivelant item in lp store the navy mega sells for no were near a napoc same with the domi to the neddon


simples ur lp is worth more


Lets face it you only have an alt since ther are no more off. plexes to be done....

T1 is stupid and T4 and above is taking the ****.

T2 for all (or T2.5 if you want to split hairs)



nope had that alt all along churning out nice napocs im not stupid the more of one side there is the more there lps are devalued and the amarrs hit t2 most days so dont cry t1 sux cos ur hardly ever there u can still make enough to pvp of and a decent living

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ALUCARD 1208
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#35 - 2013-01-12 20:32:20 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
damn dble post

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Flyingleanpocket
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#36 - 2013-01-12 21:29:22 UTC
Feffri wrote:
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
I have 3 billion in cash, several billion in ships, and 2.4 million LP. If you are poor in FW you are doing it wrong.


I'm not poor but in cal mil you'd be shocked at how many guys are poor... problem now is new guys coming in are a little screwed but guess you can always take 5 days and train a minnie or gal incursus alt to run for their side.


better yet you can get an amarr noob alt and run the gallente plexes at t2 for amarr


its not tier 5 mega billions but its a lot better than half of what you deserve
Durrr
Arzad Ammatar Defense Squadron
The Shogunate.
#37 - 2013-01-12 22:27:53 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
I have 3 billion in cash, several billion in ships, and 2.4 million LP. If you are poor in FW you are doing it wrong.


This.

Sure, its not the same "asteroids are plated with gold" abnormality as before the pre-retribution patch, but, there are iskies to be made.
Julius Foederatus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-01-12 22:34:46 UTC
Reading some of these posts, you'd think you all played EVE simply to rack up as much LP/isk as possible. Isk is a means to an end, not the end of the game. As long as you can make enough to replace your losses, you're doing fine. If you're complaining about anything else, please be quiet, no one wants to hear you whine.
Tsobai Hashimoto
State War Academy
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-01-12 22:34:55 UTC
I have done the math on the LP stores and t2 and t3 are almost the same between minnies and amarr


but this is also cuz minnies have alot of mission farmers flooding the market


when minnies hit t4 they make better isk plexing than amarr t2. but only about 20mill an hour. and have to sell 4times the items on market


t5 is very good isk. no matter how low the market is. and t1is meh isk no matter how great the market is the
only change needed to balance it out would be t1 set at minus 25%




but who said it should be balanced? go plex. get t2. still earn 100m isk an hour
Dan Carter Murray
#40 - 2013-01-12 23:12:40 UTC
i forgot that people always forget to consider opportunity cost. Mintards/Galblob make much more with their LP when the factor of "time" is considered.

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