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FW Domination Medal!

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Ame Sonoda
Kriegsmarinewerft
Goonswarm Federation
#41 - 2013-01-12 13:09:51 UTC
Colt Blackhawk wrote:


Quote:
only who need a medal is DEV who worked this out.


True.... really true.


you're agreeing with a guy whose name is effectively '**** poster.'
Shaalira D'arc
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2013-01-12 14:37:15 UTC
Vikarion wrote:
Eh, it's an accomplishment. It's not the accomplishment, like some Gal FWers would make it. The Caldari occupation of all systems took a heck of a lot of work, and yes, it was somewhat easier to plex, with cloaks and other tactics still working, but I don't buy that it somehow "didn't count". On the other hand, the Gals had a huge advantage handed to them when CCP decided to essentially freeze the warzone see-saw with them in charge with virtually no warning, which was damn strange considering the week in advance notice we get for other patches. This lead to a large part of the active Caldari militia quitting in disgust. This made things considerably easier for the Gals, but it still counts too.

Anyway, that's not something the Gal FWers at large could control, and they did have to do a lot of plexing to take the final systems - so yes, they should get a medal. You'll get it, too: CCP has a pretty obvious bias towards the "good guys" in the fight, so you should get some flattering news items, a medal, and CCP will probably have the Gallente retake Caldari Prime and kill Tibus Heth or something. Enjoy it, see if you can get a couple Chrons written as well, and I'd suggest cashing your Gal LP either fairly soon or holding onto it for the long term.


Tinfoil hatters abound.

Anyways, it being "somewhat easier" to plex for the Caldari during the old system is an understatement. Between NPC imbalance (my opponents can't even lock me in my plexes!) and the time zone favoritism, it was quite easy for a handful of players of a select prime time to lock down the warzone. This is especially true as there was no mechanical point for doing so. This means there was no incentive for other players to work against the system.

It was only about dots on the map.

Post-retribution, more people have reason to care about the state of the war zone. The pond is bigger, with more participation overall. Rather than being an accomplishment of a few people and their alts, it's the accomplishment of thousands of players working together across time zones.

So yes, I'll be frank in saying this accomplishment ranks alongside the old one, regardless of all the CCP conspiracy nonsense you and your Finnish friends like to throw on the forums. Pointing accusing fingers at the devs is a great way of ignoring the fact that you and your favored faction lost a battle in a fictional internet war. Oh noes.
Commander Razama
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-01-12 14:37:15 UTC
I have fought and waited for years for the chance to get our medal since the caldari fought and won the first war. The caldari fought long and hard and CCP recognized this effort. Its only fair after years of fighting that now that we have won that CCP recognize our effort.

Its not like this happens to often.
Cromwell Savage
The Screaming Seagulls
#44 - 2013-01-12 14:46:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Cromwell Savage
Vikarion wrote:
Eh, it's an accomplishment. It's not the accomplishment, like some Gal FWers would make it. The Caldari occupation of all systems took a heck of a lot of work, and yes, it was somewhat easier to plex, with cloaks and other tactics still working, but I don't buy that it somehow "didn't count". On the other hand, the Gals had a huge advantage handed to them when CCP decided to essentially freeze the warzone see-saw with them in charge with virtually no warning, which was damn strange considering the week in advance notice we get for other patches. This lead to a large part of the active Caldari militia quitting in disgust. This made things considerably easier for the Gals, but it still counts too.

Anyway, that's not something the Gal FWers at large could control, and they did have to do a lot of plexing to take the final systems - so yes, they should get a medal. You'll get it, too: CCP has a pretty obvious bias towards the "good guys" in the fight, so you should get some flattering news items, a medal, and CCP will probably have the Gallente retake Caldari Prime and kill Tibus Heth or something. Enjoy it, see if you can get a couple Chrons written as well, and I'd suggest cashing your Gal LP either fairly soon or holding onto it for the long term.


Oh enough of that crap.

Look at the militia stats - even now, Cal Mil has been gaining more VP - daily and weekly. This has nothing to do with the previous system farming and patches. This came down to strictly coordination within the militias. We had it this round, you guys didn't. The stats even show you guys were plexing MORE than we were. You just were doing it all over haphazardly and not in a coordinated effort.

Three years ago when the Caldari capped all systems (which is when I joined FW), the mechanics put us, if not at a disadvantage, but definately with a harder "fight" to cap plexing - missile spam/ECM. Left us with almost no option to fight inside the plex if jumped prior to killing all the rats (small gang). Now, the difficulty is even accross the board - NPC's and spawns (no TZ is favored). Oh, and 3 years ago, you could dock in any and all systems. This time around - we couldn't dock in a targeted system....

The full system capture 3 years ago and now are both great accomplishments by both militias. End of story.

Now...enough excuses.....it's your turn to bounce back.
Cromwell Savage
The Screaming Seagulls
#45 - 2013-01-12 14:48:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Cromwell Savage
...double post fail...
SaltyandSweet
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#46 - 2013-01-12 14:51:24 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
*tears*

usual BM post.

Im So Baller I Buy Plex Cuz im too lazy to do PVE!

Mra Rednu
Totally Into Spaceships
#47 - 2013-01-12 16:29:27 UTC
Mehashi 'Kho wrote:
So.... when / where / how / what colour etc etc.

Many people have lost their balls running pve content to grind towards this moment, maybe then a pair of sweaty balls on a little red cross plaque would be appropriate?


FYP
Reuqh Dew
Anasta.
#48 - 2013-01-12 16:51:45 UTC
Now when the frogs start hopping to amarr-minmatar area, maybe minnies manage to get a medal too.
I doubt it tho. Twisted

Grats to gallente. Roll
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
#49 - 2013-01-12 17:50:05 UTC
Now have CCP give us stats!

Time spent orbiting.
LP earned.
LP spent/wasted (iHub).
Pilot counts pre-/post the two farmer patches.
Etc.
Market impact of above points.
Hidden Snake
The Church of Awesome
#50 - 2013-01-12 17:54:54 UTC
wait few months ... once u hold it that long ... u will get medal
X Gallentius
Black Eagle5
Villore Accords
#51 - 2013-01-12 17:56:14 UTC
Screw the medal, I just want them to convert all the VP I earned before Inferno into LP.
Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
Villore Accords
#52 - 2013-01-12 19:20:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Deacon Abox
No, XG, do not screw the medal. For if you do, you are screwing the rest of us who want the medal. And as much as some might find your goggless mug attractive and worthy of getting screwed by. I do not.

I lost sleep time over this push. I want a medal. A beautiful configuration of pixels that will virtually signify the rl effort that went into my manipulation of pixels over other fellows manipulation of pixels. Then this vp of which you speak could also be converted to lp as a cherry on top for you old-timers (not gallente victory specific anyway right because elder squids are sitting on vp also?).

Then we'll all be happy and noone will get screwed. Well except for Hidden Snake. But then he really loves it. He hasn't quit this game yet, entirely convinced that it's rigged against his pretend ethnic affiliation. So it must be because he loves getting screwed.

Oh and Concealed Reptile, sure let's add that requirement about holding all the territory for however long as you suggest if CCP reinstates a rat ewar and weapon imblance, and a TZ advantage for the plexing mechanics that will favor galmil. Or you could just pay for the ethnic change operation CCP Chatgris has been wanting, to become CCP Damar again.

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
#53 - 2013-01-13 07:05:58 UTC
I like how I made my Gallente awoxing corp 2 days before this, so even I will get a medal to remember Farm Wars 2.0, the moment when developers won the war for one side, ending a years long conflict unparalleled in any other games, or dare I say human history. I guess some people just don't like making historical contributions, a little bit more subscriber farmer alts at the end of the month is better. Nevermind the 100s of accounts that will get deactivated...
ground ctrl
Goose Swarm Coalition
#54 - 2013-01-13 21:19:55 UTC
I don't think Gallente will get the medal because they didn't hold the systems for one week. Sad
Mehashi 'Kho
The Grey Eagles
#55 - 2013-01-13 21:43:48 UTC
ground ctrl wrote:
I don't think Gallente will get the medal because they didn't hold the systems for one week. Sad

Thats certainly a possibility, but as of the night we took 100% there was much talk that ccp would not be awarding any sort of acknowledgement of our achievement, so many people just said f**k it, no point making further exertions. I know for myself I only took part in the plexing as I was hopeful it would mean something. Now that we know it doesn't there is little incentive. Missions are better income, and fighting outside of plexes allows more variety in combat. Quite the anti-climax to be frank.

I'm still glad we did it, if only to show how well we can work together between corps and timezones when we put our minds to an objective, but now that we have - frankly I couldn't care less about what systems rise or fall outside of the couple I have ships in.

Look forward to seeing the cals make a comeback, looking even more forward to having a fight in something bigger than a cruiser soon too.

GF squiddies!
Squatdog
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#56 - 2013-01-13 22:03:29 UTC
It's obvious that CCP realises the current situation is solely the result of the botched system introduced by the Ninja Patch and that Gallente 'deserve' a medal about as much as Goons 'deserve' one for exploiting the broken LP/Kill system. Especially as (despite their best efforts) they only managed 'system dominance' for one whole day(LOL!) as opposed to PERVS keeping it locked down for TEN MONTHS STRAIGHT.

The tears on this thread are amazing. Gal blobbers and role-playing nerds are faced with the stark fact that the weeks of blobbing and alarm-clock ops were all for nothing
X Gallentius
Black Eagle5
Villore Accords
#57 - 2013-01-13 22:29:40 UTC
Squatdog wrote:
It's obvious that CCP realises the current situation is solely the result of the botched system introduced by the Ninja Patch and that Gallente 'deserve' a medal about as much as Goons 'deserve' one for exploiting the broken LP/Kill system. Especially as (despite their best efforts) they only managed 'system dominance' for one whole day(LOL!) as opposed to PERVS keeping it locked down for TEN MONTHS STRAIGHT.

The tears on this thread are amazing. Gal blobbers and role-playing nerds are faced with the stark fact that the weeks of blobbing and alarm-clock ops were all for nothing

It burns you to know that we get the high-five that you never will. Doesn't it?
Mehashi 'Kho
The Grey Eagles
#58 - 2013-01-13 22:31:29 UTC
Bla bla ccp gallente ninja exploiting botched patch etc etc. Try posting once without sounding like a broken record. Roll

We had fun, we did what we set out to do, and we got a butt-load of kills (as i'm sure did caldari). Whatever the case, Im still pleased to have been part of an interesting eve campaign. An acknowledgement of this would have been nice, but if not forthcoming there are certainly other things that are equally or more fun and productive than plex fighting to be getting on with or trying out. Looks like a great time to use all those bcs I had from pre-inferno before ccp nerfs them to s**t in comparison to buffed cruisers at a 5th of the price.

CCP, y u hate BC's? :p

ps, no gf for you, just the non-whiny squids that sucked it up and got on with their work instead of bitching about favouritism or bias. Those guys deserve respect, and have earned it in the eyes of many gallente.
Mehashi 'Kho
The Grey Eagles
#59 - 2013-01-13 22:33:53 UTC
PPS - do you think if I emailed fozzie a picture of my hand, he would email me a picture of his? I can't get to FF this year, but I'd surely be happy to recreate the high five at home by proxy of my printer :)
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#60 - 2013-01-13 22:35:41 UTC
Commander Razama wrote:
I have fought and waited for years for the chance to get our medal since the caldari fought and won the first war. The caldari fought long and hard and CCP recognized this effort. Its only fair after years of fighting that now that we have won that CCP recognize our effort.

Its not like this happens to often.


it is good that CCP devs finally found way to fix FW on way that gallente can win when others already quit.