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There is a way to enable purchase of SP for money... with a catch.
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Bronden Neopatus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-10-24 20:23:11 UTC
Will keep it short.

Let' say you could buy a certain amount of SP and spend them now, but in exchange you won't earn any skillpoints for as long as you would had needed to earn that same SP without any modifier.

Say, you get 1,000.000 SP now, but then your account won't earn any SP nor be able to skill up for the next 23 days or so (asuming a base rate of 1,800 SP/hour).

That would work as a "SP loan", which could be of use in certain circunstances, but would be harmful in the long run.

"Oh, but what if I create an alt, get the SP, skill it to top then do something nasty and biomass it?"

Easy workaround: borrowed SP can only be added to the skills qeued in the moment of purchase (with a 5% blackout to prevent wasting bought SPs).

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Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2011-10-24 20:40:33 UTC
so if you have the cash.,.. you can buy 120 million sp....? no.

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Taint
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-10-24 20:45:21 UTC
no and no and no and no and no to buying sp, go away dum throll
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#4 - 2011-10-24 20:50:13 UTC
Unless the catch is “some burly men come over and break your knees, steal your cat, and clog up your plumbing with old socks”, then no…
Bronden Neopatus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-10-24 20:51:32 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
so if you have the cash.,.. you can buy 120 million sp....? no.


I am reasonably sure that you missed this bits:

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...borrowed SP can only be added to the skills qeued in the moment of purchase...


Quote:
...but then your account won't earn any SP nor be able to skill up for...


Once you get the SP, you won't be able to skill up so you won't be able to queue so you won't be able to borrow any more SP until the cooldown timer runs off.

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Bronden Neopatus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-10-24 20:56:57 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Unless the catch is “some burly men come over and break your knees, steal your cat, and clog up your plumbing with old socks”, then no…


The catch is that you won't be able to skill up for longer than if you just had waited to get the SP. Which means that its pointless to buy out "threshold" skills (say, buy out BS 5 to go for Marauders 1).

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#7 - 2011-10-24 20:56:57 UTC
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Ushra'Khan
#8 - 2011-10-24 20:57:12 UTC
The idea is an intriguing one, it was suggested a few times on the old forums (as was pointed out to me when I posted it a year ago). The devs seems to stay shy of it, removing learning skills brought great joy and anger, and with subs down 8% they will likely try to walk the middle of the road.
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Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-10-24 21:03:31 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
so if you have the cash.,.. you can buy 120 million sp....? no.


LOL ?

Is so easy to buy on character bazar ...., yes he buys sp when he buys char's on char bazar, nothing more nothing less, doesn't matter if someone trained if in some account he never logged in for other purpose than set skills que or whatever fake excuse, he just buys sp, nothing more, nothing less.
Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2011-10-24 21:06:16 UTC
No. Train your level 5s just like the rest of us.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#11 - 2011-10-24 21:12:42 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
yes he buys sp when he buys char's on char bazar, nothing more nothing less
Actually, it's a whole lot more and a whole lot less, largely because you're not buying SP when you use the character bazaar.

The bazaar allows you to buy a character (unsurprisingly) — a collection of ready-made and pre-composed skill levels in what one might hope to be a coherent and useful order. You do not add any SP to your characters the way buying SP would. You do not gain any additional abilities, the way buying SP would. You get other abilities that you can use instead of what your original character has. You also buy a heap of logistical issues and added upkeep costs to keep both your old and your new characters in the location and shape they need to be.

The only similarity between buying SP and buying a character is that you, as a player, might gain abilities you didn't already have access to… Everything else is different.
Bronden Neopatus wrote:
The catch is that you won't be able to skill up for longer than if you just had waited to get the SP.
Not good enough. Buying SP needs to come with a catch that involves at least one burly man doing nasty things… that's how awful an idea it is.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#12 - 2011-10-24 21:18:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanya Powers
Tippia wrote:
Tanya Powers wrote:
yes he buys sp when he buys char's on char bazar, nothing more nothing less
Actually, it's a whole lot more and a whole lot less, largely because you're not buying SP when you use the character bazaar.

The bazaar allows you to buy a character (unsurprisingly) — a collection of ready-made and pre-composed skill levels in what one might hope to be a coherent and useful order. You do not add any SP to your characters the way buying SP would. You do not gain any additional abilities, the way buying SP would. You get other abilities that you can use instead of what your original character has. You also buy a heap of logistical issues and added upkeep costs to keep both your old and your new characters in the location and shape they need to be.

The only similarity between buying SP and buying a character is that you, as a player, might gain abilities you didn't already have access to… Everything else is different.
Bronden Neopatus wrote:
The catch is that you won't be able to skill up for longer than if you just had waited to get the SP.
Not good enough. Buying SP needs to come with a catch that involves at least one burly man doing nasty things… that's how awful an idea it is.



Mr A "haz" 900sp

Mr A buys 65M sp on toons bazar

Mr A got 65M sp with some clicks
EDIT: Mr A will probably have some skills he doesn't need, also train some he wants so achieve his goal, byt hey when you have 65M sp in your pocket there's not a lot of stuff you really need to train (in real time this time) to do almost everything in eve.

Mr B for the meanwhile is setting his skills que, he's training frigates 4 and still haven't trained auto canons up to 4 neither.

Nothing more, nothing less.

You can turn it has many times or ways has you want to support your argument,, no one normally educated on this world will ever think for a second he just didn't got free sp for bucks. (not free since cost him some bucks)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#13 - 2011-10-24 21:27:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Tanya Powers wrote:
Mr A "haz" 900sp

Mr A buys 65M sp on toons bazar

Mr A got 65M sp with some clicks
No.

Mr A has 900sp.
Mr A buys a second character.
Mr B has 65M sp, whereas Mr A still only has 900, because there is no way to buy SP for Mr A (well… aside form the standard long way around: by subscribing and continuously sticking skills into the queue).

Mr A+B's player now has to choose whether to keep Mr A or not, and/or when to pick which character.
Mr A has not gained any additional SP unless the player choose to add some in the normal way — by training skills.
Mr A+B's player has also had no say in what SP he gets — it's an atomic package deal that cannot be altered or subdivided or distributed in any way. If Mr B has a ton of stuff that Mr A+B's player doesn't particularly want, then tough luck, because he can't change it because he didn't actually buy a bunch of SP to distribute the way he wanted. Instead, he bought a character.

No matter how you twist and turn it, buying a character is not the same thing as buying SP aside from the pretty tiny detail that both might give you access to abilities you didn't have before.
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Novafox Shipyards
#14 - 2011-10-24 21:55:09 UTC
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Bronden Neopatus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-10-24 22:15:11 UTC
BTW, I am not suggesting this to be implemented, just figured a way so it was possible to buy SP and yet not get an unfair advantage over people who just invest subscription time.

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Nezumiiro Noneko
Alternative Enterprises
#16 - 2011-10-24 22:47:08 UTC
Bronden Neopatus wrote:
BTW, I am not suggesting this to be implemented, just figured a way so it was possible to buy SP and yet not get an unfair advantage over people who just invest subscription time.



there is a disdavantage. its instant alts for those who make lots of isk. make the alt, could care less about the training penalty. This could be the final touches on a cap alt. 23 day wating period, like it matters. After your fighters or carrier 5 is done with a quick injection if everything there already it means 23 days till you jsut throw in whatever skills since that alt is basically done.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#17 - 2011-10-25 00:31:01 UTC
To this idea - no thanks.

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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2011-10-25 01:15:18 UTC
Patience is a virtue
Virtue is a grace
I think Op,
just fell flat on his face.

this idea, while SLIGHTLY different from the bajillions of other threads, still exhibits CORE PHILOSOPHY CONFLICT #1
and that si that it gives whoever is willing to shell out the money instant gratification and instant SP with no time devoted to actually having to train it.

the difference between THIS and CHARACTER BAZAAR, is that SOMEBODY still devoted the time to training the character that is being sold, so the SP is not magically appearing, it still is based on TIME INVESTED, while BUYING sp, in ANY form, is circumventing the very nature and philosophy upon which is has been built over the past 8 years.

TL;DR this suggestion caters to the impatient, childish, and impulsive players that take the value out of the strategy, planning, forethought, and intelligence required to actually play EvE competently.
Bronden Neopatus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2011-10-25 06:37:04 UTC
Nezumiiro Noneko wrote:
Bronden Neopatus wrote:
BTW, I am not suggesting this to be implemented, just figured a way so it was possible to buy SP and yet not get an unfair advantage over people who just invest subscription time.



there is a disdavantage. its instant alts for those who make lots of isk. make the alt, could care less about the training penalty. This could be the final touches on a cap alt. 23 day wating period, like it matters. After your fighters or carrier 5 is done with a quick injection if everything there already it means 23 days till you jsut throw in whatever skills since that alt is basically done.


That already was adressed in my first post:

Quote:
"Oh, but what if I create an alt, get the SP, skill it to top then do something nasty and biomass it?"

Easy workaround: borrowed SP can only be added to the skills qeued in the moment of purchase (with a 5% blackout to prevent wasting bought SPs).


I think people is plain not reading what I said. My concept is pretty well trimmed to not give any unfair advantage, to not allow instant alts and to be useless as a part of a training plan. Its only use would be giving instantly a single crytical skill whose advantages overweighted the almost crippling disadvantages.

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Schnoo
The Schnoo
#20 - 2011-10-25 07:52:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Schnoo
the idea of getting a little bit of SP instantly - f.e 24h worth of training; and then having to train the debt before you can train anything else is fine for me.
also putting a weekly/monthly cooldown on the usage of this ability (while still having to train the debt before it can be used again) would make it not applicable in exploits

this especially bodes well for low SP chars, that want to train an ability for an OP fast - f.e webs/scrams and what not most people don't have
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