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Our Christmas present to FW

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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
#501 - 2013-01-11 15:29:48 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Interestingly, we still scored about 17k VP, while the day before caldari scored 18k. Gotta as yourself which side the farmers you are having nightmares about are on :)

No need to ask, defensive plexing has always been alt friendly whereas offensive plexing only got so 'recently' .. since you are taking systems whereas the Caldari are not, you are the ones benefiting from/abusing the latest CCP miscalculation and can thus be called farmers . .heh Twisted

More important question is why Cal/Gal pilots can't seem to get along long enough to participate constructively in the numerous threads dedicated to root out the latest evil to ooze out from CCP HQ .. is is entertaining for sure, but also a bit scary that the line between game and reality is blurred to such an extent Big smile
ground ctrl
Goose Swarm Coalition
#502 - 2013-01-11 15:42:32 UTC
Garr Earthbender wrote:
marketjacker wrote:
Hilarious how many people are excited about the prospect of looking back and seeing countless hours wasted plexing, or on the flip side, trying to fight the odds for the sole purpose of looking back and seeing countless hours wasted plexing. Not sure what sort of brain damage you need to have suffered to think this is an achievement or a loss.


We're all talking about a video game, which in itself is a HUGE waste of time. Hilarious that people saying doing one activity in the game is more of a waste of time than another.



Playing a game is done for entertainment. If someone finds null sec stuff entertaining then great. (I can't relate to that as it sounds horrible.)

If fw was something where 1) you got frequent quality pvp and 2) being good at frequent quality pvp makes a substantial difference for your factions ability to win, then I would gladly spend countless hours playing.

Sadly it is not and it seems like there are no plans to make it so. I'm not interested in a game where whoever can multibox the most alts doing hide and seek plexing wins. I am also no longer interested in collecting killmails for the sake of killmails.
Juan Rayo
Justified Chaos
#503 - 2013-01-11 15:51:27 UTC
ground ctrl wrote:

Playing a game is done for entertainment. If someone finds null sec stuff entertaining then great. (I can't relate to that as it sounds horrible.)

If fw was something where 1) you got frequent quality pvp and 2) being good at frequent quality pvp makes a substantial difference for your factions ability to win, then I would gladly spend countless hours playing.


Funny, we are getting pvp, we are using pew pew to achieve goals, and we do find it entertaining. Judging by the Caldari attempts to slow our progress yesterday, they were having some fun too. In fact they tried to flip some systems while we were concentrating in OMS.

We got fights in OMS AND we had to send people to fight for those systems, and people had fun.

So consider this, maybe just because you, personally, don´t find it fun anymore, doesn´t mean it´s broken or that everyone else is not having fun.
Ctzn Snips
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#504 - 2013-01-11 20:13:15 UTC
Juan Rayo wrote:
ground ctrl wrote:

Playing a game is done for entertainment. If someone finds null sec stuff entertaining then great. (I can't relate to that as it sounds horrible.)

If fw was something where 1) you got frequent quality pvp and 2) being good at frequent quality pvp makes a substantial difference for your factions ability to win, then I would gladly spend countless hours playing.


Funny, we are getting pvp, we are using pew pew to achieve goals, and we do find it entertaining. Judging by the Caldari attempts to slow our progress yesterday, they were having some fun too. In fact they tried to flip some systems while we were concentrating in OMS.

We got fights in OMS AND we had to send people to fight for those systems, and people had fun.

So consider this, maybe just because you, personally, don´t find it fun anymore, doesn´t mean it´s broken or that everyone else is not having fun.


I had more fun when we were losing to be honest. I don't know why all the squids jumped ship. Vlill at 70% was a scary sight.
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#505 - 2013-01-11 20:16:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Mutnin wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:

I think the are looking back at the Millions of LP and Billions of isk it made them too.



I know this might sound very strange, but some people aren't that interested in spending 99% of their time in game grinding ISK.

I know, I know it's a shocker..



At its peak, 70ish people were coordinating across the map to deplex and plex us to this position where we may well have full warzone by next down time. It was a huge plexing push and more effort than i have ever seen in galmil.

Interestingly, we still scored about 17k VP, while the day before caldari scored 18k. Gotta as yourself which side the farmers you are having nightmares about are on :)



As I said before that you choose to ignore.. is the simple fact that there are no systems left for Gal farmers to farm. They don't create VP's for plexing in Amarr space and "BIG SURPRISE" farmers are not going to run defensive plexes.

This means right now it's mostly just Gal Mil members farm alts, trying to defend making that 18k VP's. Perhaps if you want to see the effect the farmers had, you should look back 2 months or so when Gals were doing 30k+ VP's a day and there were also loads of Minmatar farm alts that had no effect on recorded VPs. (meaning it was much more than the 30k /day)



Of course you won't care about this, because you have your self convinced that you really are fighting against the odds.. Yea know because CalMil has more people on the stats sheet and you guys are heroes and stuff Roll
X Gallentius
Black Eagle5
Villore Accords
#506 - 2013-01-11 20:50:48 UTC
Mutnin wrote:
As I said before that you choose to ignore.. is the simple fact that there are no systems left for Gal farmers to farm.
We farm your tears. Mission accomplished!
Smodab Ongalot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#507 - 2013-01-11 21:10:56 UTC
Mutnin wrote:

I know this might sound very strange, but some people aren't that interested in spending 99% of their time in game grinding ISK.



Clearly time spent **** posting on the forums is more constructive, no?
SAJUK NIGARRA
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#508 - 2013-01-11 22:09:19 UTC
And then there were none. Feel free to close thread.
ALUCARD 1208
Did he say Jump
#509 - 2013-01-11 22:11:26 UTC
Juan Rayo
Justified Chaos
#510 - 2013-01-11 22:14:32 UTC
Shaalira D'arc
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#511 - 2013-01-11 22:23:35 UTC
But, but

Bad Messenger wrote:
No one can ever take all systems with new mechanics
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#512 - 2013-01-11 22:24:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Mutnin wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Mutnin wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:

I think the are looking back at the Millions of LP and Billions of isk it made them too.



I know this might sound very strange, but some people aren't that interested in spending 99% of their time in game grinding ISK.

I know, I know it's a shocker..



At its peak, 70ish people were coordinating across the map to deplex and plex us to this position where we may well have full warzone by next down time. It was a huge plexing push and more effort than i have ever seen in galmil.

Interestingly, we still scored about 17k VP, while the day before caldari scored 18k. Gotta as yourself which side the farmers you are having nightmares about are on :)



As I said before that you choose to ignore.. is the simple fact that there are no systems left for Gal farmers to farm. They don't create VP's for plexing in Amarr space and "BIG SURPRISE" farmers are not going to run defensive plexes.

This means right now it's mostly just Gal Mil members farm alts, trying to defend making that 18k VP's. Perhaps if you want to see the effect the farmers had, you should look back 2 months or so when Gals were doing 30k+ VP's a day and there were also loads of Minmatar farm alts that had no effect on recorded VPs. (meaning it was much more than the 30k /day)



Of course you won't care about this, because you have your self convinced that you really are fighting against the odds.. Yea know because CalMil has more people on the stats sheet and you guys are heroes and stuff Roll


Thats pretty disingenuous really. The reason i ignored the gal alts plexing matar space is because they have by definition no effect of the cal/gal warzone. On this front there really are no swarm of farmers.

While were throwing VP numbers around, cal mil was scoring over 100k VP per day at the height of the plexing farm.

In other news, Caldaris last system was just lost. On other fronts they are fighting for a foothold again so well see what shape the comeback arrives in. Well, probably all be speaking german soon :)
X Gallentius
Black Eagle5
Villore Accords
#513 - 2013-01-11 22:29:50 UTC
Hidden Snake wrote:
so .... xmas?

or week after?

or week after?

Right about...... wait.... hold on....


NOW.
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#514 - 2013-01-11 22:32:48 UTC
And then there were none.

Wait for it.....




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Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 

Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
#515 - 2013-01-11 23:43:18 UTC
Soooooooo :)


What next?


Caldari lost at pvp lost at pve, time for fw to be redesigned ?
Dzajic
#516 - 2013-01-12 00:01:32 UTC
Everyone with a brain logged off immediately after taking Ladi apparently. We will lose couple of systems before DT. We are not getting the fully blue warzone tomorrow.
Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#517 - 2013-01-12 00:05:03 UTC
Dzajic wrote:
Everyone with a brain logged off immediately after taking Ladi apparently. We will lose couple of systems before DT. We are not getting the fully blue warzone tomorrow.


Nope. There's a few fleets out right now deplexing. We know it's not over yet.

-Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper

Feffri
Did he say Jump
#518 - 2013-01-12 01:33:25 UTC
SAJUK NIGARRA wrote:
And then there were none. Feel free to close thread.



? How long until you go to take all of the systems from amarr

also nice job hopefully they give you shiny medal, well deserved.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#519 - 2013-01-12 02:04:24 UTC
Dzajic wrote:
Everyone with a brain logged off immediately after taking Ladi apparently. We will lose couple of systems before DT. We are not getting the fully blue warzone tomorrow.


Evoke have set their goal to take Okkagaiken. Due to persistent efforts they have been delayed 2 days. Enough time to make this happen :)

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=15849921
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=15860033
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=15867000

Amongst other fights in various other systems we were covering.

Good fights from Evoke. I think we might let you take the systems now. Just depends on how the US tz feel about that over tonight :)
Squatdog
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#520 - 2013-01-12 02:28:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Squatdog
The final outcome was never in doubt as Caldari have been MASSIVELY outnumbered across all timezones; the direct result of CCP completely screwing over Caldari with the ninja patch and the retardedly broken tier system meaning that the farmers flocked to Gallente for free LP while there's no incentive to be in a faction stuck in tier one.

We held individual systems just fine until the 23/7 Jesus Blob set up camp with double POS boosts and in the past week we were treated to some of the most comical blobbing imaginable as the Gallente would literally sit on plex gates for ten minutes straight rather than fight with even odds. We were hoping that we would get an opportunity to finally fight them with relatively even numbers and it finally happened last night, which (predictably) resulted in a hilarious one-sided beating that goes to show what happens when DnD try to PVP without the benefit of a Titan bridge:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=15859145


7 v 16,

18 kills, 4 losses

They then ran away and only came back when there were no less than THIRTY in system...