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[Proposal] Remove Skills for Plex

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Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2013-01-11 12:58:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyt Thrace
Very simple,

Just like the Re-sculpt for Plex, this will be Remove Skills for Plex.

For a Plex, you can remove your unwanted skills. i.e. Mining, all planet management, trade skills, etc...

YOU DO NOT GET REIMBURSEMENT OF SKILL POINTS!

YOU DO NOT GET REIMBURSEMENT OF SKILL BOOK PRICES!

The system already has a check to see if you can inject a skill, it will not let you if there is a prerequisite.

Just reverse that order & have it not let you remove a skill that is needed for another skill.

If, by chance, you want to train that skill you removed, then buy the skill book & skill it again.

Just a few examples;

Injecting a skill without fully knowing what it does, just to find out you didn't understand it.

Mining II comes with new character and is completely worthless on combat alt.

Like me, you are OCD.

Tried PI, didn't like it, want it gone to keep you from trying it again. <--me again

Bought a character off forum, some skills on there that you don't like.

Your Nyx "coffin" alt had there drone bay nerfed & you cant use regular drones


This will probably never happen but,

Would be just another use of Plex, since CCP likes to find ways of using them up.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2013-01-11 15:46:57 UTC
...Why would anyone ever do this?
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2013-01-11 16:43:50 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
...Why would anyone ever do this?


Answer me this - Why would anyone ever spend a Plex to Re-Sculpt?

Answer: Because they can if they wanted too.

Same would apply to removing unwanted skills, because they want too.

I for one thinks it is a waste of a Plex to Re-Sculpt, but I guess there were enough people that would do it for CCP to add it to the game.

I have three alts that I would gladly pay a Plex each to be able to remove some skills from them.

If CCP did this, I bet they would consume more Plexes with this then the re-sculpting.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2013-01-11 16:46:03 UTC
Paying 600 mil or 15 bux to downgrade your character... I have no idea why anyone would be stupid enough to do this or why you'd even want this.

How about: Plex for Account Removal! :D

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Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2013-01-11 16:49:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyt Thrace
TigerXtrm wrote:
Paying 600 mil or 15 bux to downgrade your character... I have no idea why anyone would be stupid enough to do this or why you'd even want this.

How about: Plex for Account Removal! :D



Same Question as above, why would anyone pay 600 mil or 15 bux to re-sculpt? It does nothing for you, waste of isk or rl money.

Also, I am not downgrading my character because I want to remove the following:

All Industry Skills
All Planet Management Skills
All Trade Skills
Some Science Skills

I am actually cleaning my character up from all the nonsense that I will never ever use again.

Once again, it is MY choice to do it, why do you care?

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Cooyaw
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-01-11 16:55:17 UTC
not to mention high profile members of alliances sometimes get their accounts hacked, so, this is a terrible idea. deal with your OCD some other way, buy a jar of mice and smash one every time you get annoyed that you can't micro-manage something.
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2013-01-11 16:58:42 UTC
Cooyaw wrote:
not to mention high profile members of alliances sometimes get their accounts hacked, so, this is a terrible idea. deal with your OCD some other way, buy a jar of mice and smash one every time you get annoyed that you can't micro-manage something.



That is bad logic, if an account is hacked & proven to be hacked, CCP can reverse everything, so NO loss there.

So if a high profile members of alliance get account hacked & the hacker uses a Plex to re-sculpt the character, do you not think CCP could reverse it?

R.I.P. Vile Rat
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-01-11 16:58:56 UTC
Kyt Thrace wrote:


Once again, it is MY choice to do it, why do you care?


Because it's a useless feature that would detract dev man hours from things that actually do need fixing.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2013-01-11 17:04:13 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
Kyt Thrace wrote:


Once again, it is MY choice to do it, why do you care?


Because it's a useless feature that would detract dev man hours from things that actually do need fixing.



They spent who knows how many hours puting in Plex for re-sculpting and this does nothing too.

Furthermore, like i said in post above, everything is already in-game to do it.

Skills are already removed from you when you lose a T3 ship or get podded in a lower SP clone.

The injection of a skill is check to see if there is a prerequisite, just reverse that check.

Not much to do to implement this, if a CCP Dev came on & said this is impossible without lots of work, then I would understand.

You do not know that it would take or detract dev man hours :P

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Michael Loney
Skullspace Industries
#10 - 2013-01-11 17:17:07 UTC
Re-sculpt is a vanity issue, I may change how I look in real life and decide to make my avatar match.

Your idea is like saying, "Gee I haven't done algebra in 5 years, I should pay a surgeon to remove that part of my brain."



As for as Isk sink, there are many better Ideas out there for it.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#11 - 2013-01-11 17:17:27 UTC

If the devs can install this quickly and easily.... let them...

If it takes longer than an hour.... it's not worth the effort in my opinion.

By the way.... anyone that actually spends plex to remove skillpoints from there character is a moron.... but I see no problem helping morons be morons... that's pretty much how we end up with rorquals spamming the jump button on lowsec gates...
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2013-01-11 17:20:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyt Thrace
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

If the devs can install this quickly and easily.... let them...

If it takes longer than an hour.... it's not worth the effort in my opinion.

By the way.... anyone that actually spends plex to remove skillpoints from there character is a moron.... but I see no problem helping morons be morons... that's pretty much how we end up with rorquals spamming the jump button on lowsec gates...



Then I am here to tell everyone that I must be a moron 3 times over, because I would pay for the Plex on 3 different alts right now.

But then again, I did try to jump a Rorqual thru a gate once......

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2013-01-11 17:31:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyt Thrace
Michael Loney wrote:
Re-sculpt is a vanity issue, I may change how I look in real life and decide to make my avatar match.

Your idea is like saying, "Gee I haven't done algebra in 5 years, I should pay a surgeon to remove that part of my brain."



As for as Isk sink, there are many better Ideas out there for it.


Remove Skills would be a vanity issue, I may decide that PI is a waste of my time and decide to make my skill sheet match.

"Gee I haven't got laid in 5 years, I should pay a surgeon to remove that wart on my face"

Actually, Eve Online is set far, far into the future, we have clones that we can jump to on the other side of the universe.

Oh wow, each of these clones can have different hardwirings in their head, so not much to stretch that you could remove some skills if no longer needed.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Michael Loney
Skullspace Industries
#14 - 2013-01-11 20:15:25 UTC
Yes but vanity, by definition, is for others to look at.

I cannot see your skill points, and even if I could I would wonder why a x year old pilot only has x skill points. This means you were inactive for a potion of time or a really poor player and didn't train to your attribute skills.

This is why implants are important, they allow you to shift your attributes without remapping.


Now, in terms of vanity, I would pay a PLEX to have a jump clone with a different face. Think re-sculpt on a clone by clone basis. No name change, no attribute difference, just a different face to look at. It may be a headache for CPP's servers but I think the delayed portrait thing is already in place.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#15 - 2013-01-11 20:59:02 UTC
I don't see the point. Not supporting.

How did you Veterans start?
Mark Munoz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-01-11 21:09:18 UTC
WOW talk about CRAZY OCD!
Mag's
Azn Empire
#17 - 2013-01-11 21:36:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
ShahFluffers wrote:
I don't see the point. Not supporting.
Well I can see a point, I'll try to be the devils advocate here.

When I started my character, certain skills came with it and I had no choice in the matter. We still don't with some.

My character is pure PvP, but there are 2 skills that came with birth. Mining and Industry. Both are at level 1, meaning a grand total of 500 SP. I can honestly say, I would pay to remove those 2 skills. Oops

I can see the issue the OP has. But my thought on balance and consequences, sees the need for large limits on just what skills you could remove and how much SP each one holds.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#18 - 2013-01-11 22:15:07 UTC

Why? I just don't understand why you would remove skillpoints... let alone pay to remove SP!

These are the images that come up in my mind:
A.) Hack account, destroy pilot's skillpoint pool...... VERY harmful....
B.) Ransom pilot... and force them to remove SP to save their ship?? (This is pretty funny actually)
C.) Extremely vane aesthetics... (This is either extremely OCD and/or just stupid)

And really, any skillpoints you have are part of your character's history.... Have a PvP pilot with some indy background... so what... If you have mining III and Indy III from your early stages of playing... so what... Need an RP reason to have those skills... EASY: I know how to rollerskate... I haven't done it in 20 years.. but I still know how... I never skated regularly, but occasionally I went to kid socials at the skating ring (birthday parties, whatever). Make up a backstory that explains why you have indy 1 and mining 1.... maybe you played with mining lasers as a toddlerpod... I honestly just can't imagine how this is worthy of developer time...

I put this idea on par with:
Allow me to wiggle my finger..... I don't want to be able to do anything by wiggling my finger, and its important to note that no-one will ever see me wiggle my finger, but lets waste dev time on making it so I can wiggle my finger...

I really just don't understand this request.... and unless you can give me a decent reason, I just don't support taking dev time away from revamping sov, revamping POS's, revamping Ships, revamping WIS, revamping industry, or the 1000 papercuts that truly improve the game...
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2013-01-12 00:07:55 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

Why? I just don't understand why you would remove skillpoints... let alone pay to remove SP!

These are the images that come up in my mind:
A.) Hack account, destroy pilot's skillpoint pool...... VERY harmful....
B.) Ransom pilot... and force them to remove SP to save their ship?? (This is pretty funny actually)
C.) Extremely vane aesthetics... (This is either extremely OCD and/or just stupid)

And really, any skillpoints you have are part of your character's history.... Have a PvP pilot with some indy background... so what... If you have mining III and Indy III from your early stages of playing... so what... Need an RP reason to have those skills... EASY: I know how to rollerskate... I haven't done it in 20 years.. but I still know how... I never skated regularly, but occasionally I went to kid socials at the skating ring (birthday parties, whatever). Make up a backstory that explains why you have indy 1 and mining 1.... maybe you played with mining lasers as a toddlerpod... I honestly just can't imagine how this is worthy of developer time...

I put this idea on par with:
Allow me to wiggle my finger..... I don't want to be able to do anything by wiggling my finger, and its important to note that no-one will ever see me wiggle my finger, but lets waste dev time on making it so I can wiggle my finger...

I really just don't understand this request.... and unless you can give me a decent reason, I just don't support taking dev time away from revamping sov, revamping POS's, revamping Ships, revamping WIS, revamping industry, or the 1000 papercuts that truly improve the game...



Once again, why would someone waste a Plex to re-scuplt?

A> CCP can reverse any account that is deemed to be hacked - NON ISSUE
B> You want to ransom me to remove my skillpoints, ok I will do it, but first let me dock up so I can buy a plex.
C> This one is just a plain stupid response

Once again, NONE that has posted can say that it would take more time to implement this then did the re-sculpt.

All the code for it is already in the game, just takes some tweaking.

Plus, once again, THIS is a another way for CCP to remove plex from the game (helps their bottom line)

Of course there are more important features to add or revamp, NOT saying to drop all of them for this.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2013-01-12 00:10:42 UTC
Mark Munoz wrote:
WOW talk about CRAZY OCD!


I bet a Plex I am not the only one in Eve with CRAZY OCD. :P

R.I.P. Vile Rat
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