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Removing Local Intel

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Ciba Lexlulu
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#1 - 2013-01-11 00:41:22 UTC
Dear CCP,

I understand that you are taking feedback on removing local. There have been a lot of whine/scream/complain about local being too good etc from the low and nullsec residence.

I would like to highlight that local serves much more than just intel. For me, local has been a major source of meeting people in lowsec (where I primarily lives). Although my corp is a 'highsec' corp and most of my corpmates are highseccer, I live in lowsec 90% of the time. With no corpmates in lowsec and as an 'EvE born', I find local as a great way to say hi (o/) and 'meet' with people there. I am not too concern with pirates; i don't mind losing my hyper bling ship since I earn enough in lowsec to cover them (don't fly what you cannot afford to lose). I am sure that my experience is shared by many in EvE and not unique. I don't enjoy WH for reasons that it 'feels' empty and no interaction.

IMHO, EvE is a 'social' game. If we are solely interested in pixelated spaceship, there are others in the market that offer 'better' graphic and mechanics (X series anyone?) - however, the social aspect of EvE makes it unique (in good and bad way).

If CCP removes local completely, I fear that some part of the social aspect of EvE will be lost and the game will be worse off.

Please do not completely remove Local... this is a social game not just an internet spaceship pew pew game.
Maire Gheren
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-01-11 00:52:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Maire Gheren
I dont think Local should be removed either. but i dont think it should have the list of everyone on it, just those who have spoken recently. I would much rather we have a window that contains various info as we might gather from the star map about the system we are in instead, complete with its' various delays and ambiguity about identities.
This would actually be a plus in ways. If I am in a system, I might be interested to know about a recent spike in pod killing.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-01-11 00:58:24 UTC
People who advocate for the removal of local simply think that 0.0 will become a roaming paradise. It won't, and all of the potential targets will simply put PvE alts in hisec, which is now much safer than ever before. Mining would (probably) not take a serious hit since the only added effort would be dscanning for probes, since most 0.0 mining is done in grav sites.

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Ciba Lexlulu
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#4 - 2013-01-11 01:02:42 UTC
Maire Gheren wrote:
I dont think Local should be removed either. but i dont think it should have the list of everyone on it, just those who have spoken recently. I would much rather we have a window that contains various info as we might gather from the star map about the system we are in instead, complete with its' various delays and ambiguity about identities.
This would actually be a plus in ways. If I am in a system, I might be interested to know about a recent spike in pod killing.


Unfortunately, that will nerf the social aspect of the game (at least for me). I roam alot. Whenever I jump into the system and meet people, I start chatting with them.

I am not a member of 10,000 alliances that can meet thousands of people everyday. I like the social aspect of the game and at the same time do a bit of pew pew.. nerfing local will definitely affect my [in game] social life.

I believe null is less relevant since whenever i roam in nullsec, i hardly meet anyone there. Local seems to be less relevant. However lowsec is still fairly populated.

Interestingly, i find local in highsec to be quite useless. The channel is either full of spammers or there are too many people to be able to actually talk to them (1453 people in local?).
Merouk Baas
#5 - 2013-01-11 01:58:29 UTC
What do you think about a 30 second delay, rather than instantaneous like it is now?
XxRTEKxX
2 Days to Mine
The Worst Alliance
#6 - 2013-01-11 02:00:55 UTC
You can still say hi or hello even if local is delayed like in wormholes. Might not get a response, but I've met a lot of people in wormholes just by saying hi.

Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#7 - 2013-01-11 02:06:15 UTC
If anything just merge local with const chat. That way you still have the social aspect, without the ability to gain immediate intel on x system. Even with removing local you could still be social, since the people who are going to talk in local will do so anyways, or not at all. That part won't change much.

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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#8 - 2013-01-11 02:43:31 UTC
So, once again we go down the path of "I want to get easier kills on 0.0 carebears....REMOVE LOCAL!"

Get better at flying your ship, maybe find a ship that can and is willing to fight back......Shocked





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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#9 - 2013-01-11 03:21:12 UTC
What about just making an obligatory "constellation chat" or simply clustering systems so immediate local chat works if you are in the same "cluster" but still works like w-space for everyone in the same system? I would also keep the total number of players in local showing.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-01-11 03:24:50 UTC
doesn't seem to help wormholes, delayed local is there and it is statistically the safest sec-space other then highsec
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-01-11 03:36:21 UTC
Merouk Baas wrote:
What do you think about a 30 second delay, rather than instantaneous like it is now?

No.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
EvEa Deva
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-01-11 03:45:11 UTC
I think the Devs need to base the next expansion on something other than forum whine, O you say nerf highsec income? i say remove local.

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-01-11 03:48:04 UTC
ban npc corps
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-01-11 03:49:01 UTC
EvEa Deva wrote:
I think the Devs need to base the next expansion on something other than forum whine, O you say nerf highsec income? i say remove local.


No.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2013-01-11 03:51:02 UTC
Nicolo, James... are you gents related?

to cannibal kane Lol
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-01-11 03:52:48 UTC
Amarryan Pride World Wide
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2013-01-11 03:53:19 UTC
Rain6639 wrote:
Nicolo, James... are you gents related?

to cannibal kane Lol

Who?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Irya Boone
The Scope
#18 - 2013-01-11 03:55:25 UTC
yeah 30 sec delay and in 3 months people will [ ] for a 90 sec delay ......Shocked

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-01-11 03:57:04 UTC
EvEa Deva wrote:
I think the Devs need to base the next expansion on something other than forum whine, O you say nerf highsec income? i say remove local.


remove concord too

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-01-11 03:58:10 UTC
oh wait, your risk-averse asocial playstyle demands that NPCs fight your battles

carry on

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
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