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sureis
The Gold Club
#101 - 2013-01-10 01:04:33 UTC
Wait a minute... some noob character said if we give them 500 mils they will go away for the whole day. I want to give all the noobs 500 mills each every day. I am going back to hulm back to my roots with 4586238746 Biliion right nao. CCPs new ad ---> All first day characters have the free opportunity to prevent all highest level PVE play permanently. I'm gonna delete sureis and be a new noob right nao. Thanks for lettin me o/ Shocked
Herr Ronin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#102 - 2013-01-10 01:09:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Herr Ronin
sureis wrote:
Wait a minute... some noob character said if we give them 500 mils they will go away for the whole day. I want to give all the noobs 500 mills each every day. I am going back to hulm back to my roots with 4586238746 Biliion right nao. CCPs new ad ---> All first day characters have the free opportunity to prevent all highest level PVE play permanently. I'm gonna delete sureis and be a new noob right nao. Thanks for lettin me o/ Shocked



Can i haz your stuffz? ^^

I'll Race You For A Amburhgear
Dex Sudaka
Perkone
Caldari State
#103 - 2013-01-10 21:35:55 UTC
I don't see any DEV interested in this post; do they care? I need to know if I am to renew sub next month.
How can it NOT be an exploit to use free ships, infinite supply of clones, concord sec rules and no isk to hold players from using a game feature.
I never liked the idea of the free noobships anyways. That needs to be addressed.

Probably the worst of the most pathetic pilots in New Eden.
goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#104 - 2013-01-10 21:45:22 UTC
Dex Sudaka wrote:
I don't see any DEV interested in this post; do they care? I need to know if I am to renew sub next month.
How can it NOT be an exploit to use free ships, infinite supply of clones, concord sec rules and no isk to hold players from using a game feature.
I never liked the idea of the free noobships anyways. That needs to be addressed.

+1

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Rolstra
Moo's Mudpit
#105 - 2013-01-10 21:46:07 UTC
goldiiee wrote:
Dex Sudaka wrote:
I don't see any DEV interested in this post; do they care? I need to know if I am to renew sub next month.
How can it NOT be an exploit to use free ships, infinite supply of clones, concord sec rules and no isk to hold players from using a game feature.
I never liked the idea of the free noobships anyways. That needs to be addressed.

+1

+2
Clutch G'oldman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#106 - 2013-01-10 21:46:52 UTC
Rolstra wrote:
goldiiee wrote:
Dex Sudaka wrote:
I don't see any DEV interested in this post; do they care? I need to know if I am to renew sub next month.
How can it NOT be an exploit to use free ships, infinite supply of clones, concord sec rules and no isk to hold players from using a game feature.
I never liked the idea of the free noobships anyways. That needs to be addressed.

+1

+2

+3
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#107 - 2013-01-10 21:48:34 UTC
Dex Sudaka wrote:
I don't see any DEV interested in this post; do they care? I need to know if I am to renew sub next month.
How can it NOT be an exploit to use free ships, infinite supply of clones, concord sec rules and no isk to hold players from using a game feature.
I never liked the idea of the free noobships anyways. That needs to be addressed.


Maybe if you want a Dev to respond it would be better to post in one of the forums they watch more closely. There are many threads created on these forums so many may get missed. But forums such as "Issues and workarounds" I am sure are monitored far more closely.

In game petition also seems a more appropriate way to get their attention.
amurder Hakomairos
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#108 - 2013-01-11 00:45:27 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Dex Sudaka wrote:
I don't see any DEV interested in this post; do they care? I need to know if I am to renew sub next month.
How can it NOT be an exploit to use free ships, infinite supply of clones, concord sec rules and no isk to hold players from using a game feature.
I never liked the idea of the free noobships anyways. That needs to be addressed.


Maybe if you want a Dev to respond it would be better to post in one of the forums they watch more closely. There are many threads created on these forums so many may get missed. But forums such as "Issues and workarounds" I am sure are monitored far more closely.

In game petition also seems a more appropriate way to get their attention.



yeah i never see any devs in this forum at all
Makre
Heodener
#109 - 2013-01-11 04:36:37 UTC
goldiiee wrote:
Ember Klahan

A simple change would be to have the sites de-spawn or allow another to spawn when the fleet gets paid. Didn’t take very long to come up with that idea so I am sure I am not the first to think of it. As I don’t have any knowledge of the coding involved nor do I have an understanding of why they wouldn’t have incorporated it into the original coding in the first place, I can only assume that is used to manage the number of active sites up at any given time.

Currently Incursion sites don’t pay any fleet member in a Pod or a Noob ship so you would think the sites would also not be capable of being held by those same ship types, go figure. As the mechanic is being used by someone that wishes to invest nothing while extorting a sizeable sum, it makes for a perfect scam (Zero investment and no risk) My only surprise comes from it not happening sooner. I would say the site should only be held by a ship appropriate to the difficulty of the site but in reality if the sites were being held by a hero tanked Damnation it would just as effective as it being held by a Noob ship, Site spawn mechanics are the limiting factor here.

As ganking him seems to be the standard troll I feel compelled to point out that anyone with an alt unconcerned with sec status, has that alt parked in Nul or low with its own niche. And bringing it into high sec to gank noobs is an extreme waste of SP, akin to ganking miners for a pittance.


/This
Honestly its rather clear that this is wrong.. not in the same way 12 vs 1 is "wrong". Its wrong in the way that uses poor game mechanics without recourse to grief other players.
This solution for now might be ip and bans, but the better solution is what ember said just make them spawn else where regardless, or require bc or greater to hold.
FunGu Arsten
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#110 - 2013-01-11 16:56:43 UTC
Tim fromaccounting
Ferrous Infernum
#111 - 2013-01-11 17:02:38 UTC
the way i see it, CCP made incursion sites to be done
and not having 1 day old chars keeping sites open and keeping other people from doing the sites

but i guess the needs of the one outweigh the 700-1000 ppl in the incursion constellation (trying) to do the sites
Vengeance Thirst
Sons Of Decebal
#112 - 2013-01-11 17:08:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Vengeance Thirst
Due to a lack of response from ccp as of now I am holding 2 sites open in assault system.

I will be leaving when I will be paid 2 million isk per pilot in a assault fleet, when ccp acknowledge this action as Illegal or changes game mechanics so sites respawn when mission is completed.

o7
Charadrass
Angry Germans
#113 - 2013-01-11 17:21:24 UTC
since ganking isnt helping because they just warp out of the station in a brand new rookieship.

ccp do something.
if you dont wanna have the pilots in incursions just kill them as content.
Mindy Holar
Jitex Inc.
#114 - 2013-01-11 17:28:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Mindy Holar
Until CCP fix this broken game mechanic, of letting one person's trial accounts dictate rules 16 and 23 of their TOS, I think I'll start plexing and stop paying them cash every month.

Better yet, kill all but one mom, make a bunch of trial accounts to hold all the sites open, VG, AS, and let douchy mcdouchstein keep HQs. That way nobody gets what they paid for, since manipulating the enjoyment of a few hundred paid subscribers and a thousand others by abusing trial accounts, restricting game content is perfectly reasonable to CCP.

I've heard it suggested that maybe the site blocker is a dev? I hear they hate carebears making isk more than the nullragers.

So I'll vote w/ my money, sub it for a plex, help break tos-rule 16 by ruining all incursions for everybody while abusing the **** out of trial accounts, breaking tos-rule23, because CCP thinks it's legitimate gameplay.

Anyone have any ideas what to do with my extra 16 bucks every month?
Pavel Sohaj
BAND of MAGNUS
#115 - 2013-01-11 17:35:16 UTC
Wish i had that problem. For me this means probable reduction of my game accounts so thus also, I wont be paying my sub from the cash like last time I did.

I guess they dont need the real money, surely subs from the site-holder guy will make it up to them.

Sorry CCP while I have never really said a word against you, now I do.
Letting this go on is really, really bad.
Charadrass
Angry Germans
#116 - 2013-01-11 17:35:40 UTC
now theyre blocking assault sites too.
nice ccp.
doing nothing again.

maybe i should stop paying my 13 accounts.
Johann Rascali
The Milkmen
Churn and Burn
#117 - 2013-01-11 17:47:25 UTC
Mindy Holar wrote:
Until CCP fix this broken game mechanic, of letting one person's trial accounts dictate rules 16 and 23 of their TOS, I think I'll start plexing and stop paying them cash every month.

Better yet, kill all but one mom, make a bunch of trial accounts to hold all the sites open, VG, AS, and let douchy mcdouchstein keep HQs. That way nobody gets what they paid for, since manipulating the enjoyment of a few hundred paid subscribers and a thousand others by abusing trial accounts, restricting game content is perfectly reasonable to CCP.

I've heard it suggested that maybe the site blocker is a dev? I hear they hate carebears making isk more than the nullragers.

So I'll vote w/ my money, sub it for a plex, help break tos-rule 16 by ruining all incursions for everybody while abusing the **** out of trial accounts, breaking tos-rule23, because CCP thinks it's legitimate gameplay.

Anyone have any ideas what to do with my extra 16 bucks every month?

Protip: CCP makes more money off whoever buys the PLEX to sell to you than they do if you pay monthly. They make even less if you buy extended subscriptions.

Blanking signatures doesn't seem to work, so this is here.
Mittre Cobolas
State War Academy
Caldari State
#118 - 2013-01-11 17:51:03 UTC
Both sides of the argument are valid however i think the point still stands.

If we look at this from the ganking perspective. i could make an alt that would be able to fly a destroyer and gank the noob ship. However this poses 2 problems
First the site still takes 5 mins to despawn and by this time he could be back in the site holding it open.(if he has the alts medical station close by)
Secondly CCP have stated that Making an account and trying to delete it with negative sec status is an Exploit and is bannable)
My next point would be that If i did successfully gank him a couple of times my sec status would be so low that i would be killed myself by the faction police before i even got a chance to respond. Moving back to my earlier point if i then went to delete the character and make a new one to do the same thing i would be banned for exploitting a game mechanic

In all i feel this IS an exploit purely for the reason there is no sanctionable counter to it. like in null sec or even lowsec where you could pop the ship and not get concorded. if i want to do it here i have to pay CCP a ton of money for alts to just get to do the incursions i wanted to do in the first place. At least if ccp made it viable for us to kill him without getting concorded it may make it slightly more in line with the rest of the game mechanics.

Oh and on a side note if CCP won't open the isk making pottential again then they are going to find themselves losing players left right and center because they can't afford to fly the ships they want.
Mindy Holar
Jitex Inc.
#119 - 2013-01-11 18:07:48 UTC
Johann Rascali wrote:

Protip: CCP makes more money off whoever buys the PLEX to sell to you than they do if you pay monthly. They make even less if you buy extended subscriptions.



So buy from the guy selling a stack of them instead of the seller trying get rid of 1 or 2. In that case CCP got their money back when plex was 300 mill each. They don't need the money anymore, they have Dust to be their new cash cow... lol
goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#120 - 2013-01-11 18:28:57 UTC
amurder Hakomairos wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Dex Sudaka wrote:
I don't see any DEV interested in this post; do they care? I need to know if I am to renew sub next month.
How can it NOT be an exploit to use free ships, infinite supply of clones, concord sec rules and no isk to hold players from using a game feature.
I never liked the idea of the free noobships anyways. That needs to be addressed.


Maybe if you want a Dev to respond it would be better to post in one of the forums they watch more closely. There are many threads created on these forums so many may get missed. But forums such as "Issues and workarounds" I am sure are monitored far more closely.

In game petition also seems a more appropriate way to get their attention.



yeah i never see any devs in this forum at all

So it is the opinion of the majority of posters in this forum that DEV’s (CCP) doesn’t read this forum or at least have taken no notice of this thread. I have also seen that the GM’s take no action on petitions concerning this, with the exception of automated responses: game mechanics, works as intended, get over it, and we don’t care.

So I am wondering if we should each start a thread with the same subject and give it a daily bump as per the forum rules.

anyone else think this might work?

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.