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char sale rules- Am I scamming

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L Salander
All Web Investigations
#21 - 2011-10-23 12:30:33 UTC
Sounds like it was a generous donation to me. I'm not CCP though
T RAYRAY
Echelon Research
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2011-10-23 15:12:10 UTC
i've completed several character transfers, and agree with the majority here that CCP would consider this a bad deal and make it right to the dude who sent the isk. ^^ seems like that's already been clarified above.

another thought on this topic:

Is there any other place in the game where CCP actually treats us like little children? eve on the whole is a cold dark place with very little forgiveness for mistakes.....except when it comes to character transfers.

i understand why they take this stance, but it's just funny to me that seems like the only place where they don't allow scamming.

A) Dude gets scammed out of 80B for a titan sale that never happened. CCP: "it's part of the game, u suck, can I haz ur stufz"

B) Dude gets scammed for a 1B cloaky scout alt. CCP: "OMFG, how could you DO that to someone???!??! BAN BAN BAN, give this innocent tool the isk back AND a happy ending"

John Caesse
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#23 - 2011-10-23 21:59:15 UTC
Mal'akh wrote:
selling a tune

Mal'akh wrote:
selling a tune

Mal'akh wrote:
selling a tune
Carlos Det
Shadow Core
#24 - 2011-10-23 22:41:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Carlos Det
Mal'akh wrote:
i am keeping the isk. I had all the intention to sell the char to someone. i was just being cheeky since I did say the sale was not over and for him to wait till the date he set and i was open for more offer.

since he didn't do that and I did not confirm it. I was being opportunistic in thinking i could keep the isk since he never followed the rules and send isk randomly.

I still have to wait for 24hrs. then I will send him the char. unless ccp tells me its not a rule breaking then I keep the isk and the char ;pp.

I did not go out looking to scam him but he sent the isk without a confirmation. its not like in game if someone wants to transfer the isk to his alt but then sends the isk to someone else by accident that ccp would punish the person who got the isk by accident. but maybe this is different here.


Since you probably already sold the char to him (or returned his isk) , the deal here is he has the mail you received were you agreed and the logs exist from your conversation with him at ccps servers, you would have been the likely recipient of the mighty banhammer (some say it was given to them by thor himself) and he would have received the isk back.
although ccp was not especific about your particular situation it does state that any and all form of scams performed with char sales woul be dealt with, no exceptions. so even if it doesnt specify your case it would still be a scam to their eyes and odin is unforgiving.
GreenSeed
#25 - 2011-10-24 02:44:39 UTC
Mal'akh wrote:
read the rest.

Or was it to long for your small head.

"I still have to wait for 24hrs. then I will send him the char. unless ccp tells me its not a rule breaking then I keep the isk and the char ;pp. "



stop pretending to be smart, send the money back or get banned.
Sota Hetei
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2011-10-24 05:36:44 UTC
"17. Whenever a character is transferred before the seller has moved the ISK received from the sale to another one of their characters, the Customer Support team will return that ISK to the rightful owner. The buyer cannot expect to receive both the character and the ISK that they paid to purchase it."

It's a written rule. Could have saved you a post and a lot of replies from people who clearly didn't read said rules either! Big smile
Tarsas Phage
Freight Club
#27 - 2011-10-24 06:54:58 UTC
T RAYRAY wrote:

i understand why they take this stance, but it's just funny to me that seems like the only place where they don't allow scamming.

A) Dude gets scammed out of 80B for a titan sale that never happened. CCP: "it's part of the game, u suck, can I haz ur stufz"

B) Dude gets scammed for a 1B cloaky scout alt. CCP: "OMFG, how could you DO that to someone???!??! BAN BAN BAN, give this innocent tool the isk back AND a happy ending"


You're forgetting that, unlike being scammed in-game out of a 80bn titan, when selling a char, there's actually RL money involved due to the character transfer fee. This alone could account for the descrepency in policy you cite.

Xylorn Hasher
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2011-10-24 09:38:34 UTC
Mal'akh wrote:
Am I scamming. I read the rules and I don't think I am.

I am selling a tune. A guy made me an offer in mail but said it his offer would end on 2 days time. I replied by mail saying I accept his offer. I went to the forum thread and said I accepted his offer but as he put the time. I confirmed that unless i get a bigger on till that set date then he would have won the char. I never wrote he won it or told him to send me the money.


so i was expecting to wait till the date till I confirm the sale. the guy for some odd reason sends me the isk early even tho I said in the forum that the sale will end on that set date which it hasn't reached.


If I kept the isk, would that be scamming under ccp rules. As I did not lie about the char and did not ask him to send him isk. which is the common thing when you accept an offer. you have to say it clearly and ask for the isk to be sent. which I didn't

So if i keep the isk, am I breaking the rules or is the guy who sent the isk without a confirmation in the wrong.




If you keep it you will be banned. Simple as that.
No lawyer **** on char bazaar. System is foolproof.

All my posts are made shortly after Marihuana consumption.

Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
#29 - 2011-10-24 17:00:06 UTC
What would you think if I sold you a tune, would you stand up and walk out on me?
Send me your isk and I'll sing you a song and I'll try not to sing out of key...

Six months in the hole... it changes a man.

Barakkus
#30 - 2011-10-24 17:25:36 UTC
Mal'akh wrote:

it would have been my first scam ;pp



So you came here asking if it was a scam when you completely intended to scam in the first place...

Question

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#31 - 2011-10-24 19:57:57 UTC
Ingvar Angst wrote:
What would you think if I sold you a tune, would you stand up and walk out on me?
Send me your isk and I'll sing you a song and I'll try not to sing out of key...


OP: Unless it is a tune you wrote and own the copyright on, the RIAA is going to hunt your ass down for selling someone else's tunes.

Either way, music sales aren't covered under the character bazaar policy, so I'd say keep the isk and see what happens. Twisted

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.

Sedoris Selendis
Every Day Low Prices
#32 - 2011-10-24 20:01:47 UTC
Barrak
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2011-10-24 20:57:14 UTC
Andski wrote:
you're p dumb m8


lol
Kordoc
Death Metal Rooster
#34 - 2011-10-25 00:44:54 UTC
This little tidbit in on the Transfer Character Frequently Asked Questions popup.

Why do I have to pay for transferring my character?

As your character is your identity in EVE the transfer of such an identity needs to be limited. Identity hopping and alternate character abuse are immersion breakers in any virtual world; this is why CCP has chosen to limit this as much as possible. It is clear that some players wish to donate their characters to their friends so we want to keep this possibility open. The surest way to prevent abuse of this feature is to have credit card records backing the transfer. All abuse/hacking/exploitation of this feature will be treated as credit card fraud.



I know you trying to take the stance you are not scamming. But do you really want to take a chance with this part? All abuse/hacking/exploitation of this feature will be treated as credit card fraud.
Sutskop
LENINGRAD SPB Ru
#35 - 2011-10-25 13:11:13 UTC
Xylorn Hasher wrote:

If you keep it you will be banned. Simple as that.
No lawyer **** on char bazaar. System is foolproof.


CCP is babysitting us here because there is no system really. You cannot transfer a character "securely". It is simply ISK upfront.
And since nobody would trade characters for billions of ISK without any security (and CCP losing a bit of rl money) it is like it is.
Lord Ryan
True Xero
#36 - 2011-10-25 17:24:39 UTC
Koronakesh wrote:
Generally when it comes to character trading and wondering if something is a scam, "if you have to ask, the answer is yes" is a good rule to go by.



Sweet avatar!

Do not assume anything above this line was typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.

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