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[Proposal] Disruption Battleships and Caldari Attack Battleship
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Hakan MacTrew
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-12-11 11:33:27 UTC
I would like to see each race gain another BS hull. Given the quantity of capitals I hear about being used in null and even low, BS hulls could be the way to draw attention back to sub caps.

That being said, I agree that a TP bonus on the Typhoon would work really well with its new torp boat role.

Giving the Hyperion a damp bonus would wreck it IMO. You would have to totally restructure the ship and it would leave Gallente with no equivalent to the Abaddon, Maelstrom or Rokh. The Megathron is becoming a big thorax and that's fine. I don't like the thought of making the Dominix into a disruption boat either, but if one of them has to be changed, make it the Dominix.

I don't feel that Amarr really needs 3 BSs all with lasers. Making the Armageddon a big Arbitrator sounds ok to me. The 4 turrets and 4 launchers option combined with drone bonuses would also fill the gap left in their arsenal. It would also be good to get another BS drone boat, once they sort out drones... coming soon(tm)...

As for a Caldari attack ship, tweaking the Raven seems a bit off to me. It's already a bit on the fragile side so I wouldn't lose any of its tank, but it could do the job. Caldari fight at range, so brawling isn't their bag. I guess the missile brawler spot falls to the Navy Scorpion.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-12-11 13:55:42 UTC
Gotta take a turret point off the Lynx.

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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#23 - 2012-12-11 16:10:24 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Gotta take a turret point off the Lynx.


bump...
and
Gotta quit worrying about ship stats... and stick to the general concept...
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#24 - 2012-12-11 18:15:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Daichi Yamato
Hakan MacTrew wrote:
I would like to see each race gain another BS hull. Given the quantity of capitals I hear about being used in null and even low, BS hulls could be the way to draw attention back to sub caps.

That being said, I agree that a TP bonus on the Typhoon would work really well with its new torp boat role.

Giving the Hyperion a damp bonus would wreck it IMO. You would have to totally restructure the ship and it would leave Gallente with no equivalent to the Abaddon, Maelstrom or Rokh. The Megathron is becoming a big thorax and that's fine. I don't like the thought of making the Dominix into a disruption boat either, but if one of them has to be changed, make it the Dominix.

I don't feel that Amarr really needs 3 BSs all with lasers. Making the Armageddon a big Arbitrator sounds ok to me. The 4 turrets and 4 launchers option combined with drone bonuses would also fill the gap left in their arsenal. It would also be good to get another BS drone boat, once they sort out drones... coming soon(tm)...

As for a Caldari attack ship, tweaking the Raven seems a bit off to me. It's already a bit on the fragile side so I wouldn't lose any of its tank, but it could do the job. Caldari fight at range, so brawling isn't their bag. I guess the missile brawler spot falls to the Navy Scorpion.


the hyp already fails against other tier 3's and fit for active tank it can barely dual rep with ions and a single cap booster. Hyp's will need a lot more grid and cpu to active tank and fit non-electron blasters. This is before we get to the even more grid hungry rails.
Having only 6 lows also prevents it from fitting a second mag stab so the dps is a little less than it could be. i just dnt think active hyps are competitive outside of 1v1's.
Passive hyps would be untouched, so it would be just as effective a fleet fighter as before (even more so with a dampener bonus) and could brawl just as well.

domi's on the other hand, could get a lot from an active tank bonus. it doesnt have to use high slots for dps, leaving plentiful grid for armour reps, just like a larger myrm. it has the mids for cap boosters to feed neuts and a bunch of drones for DPS. The lack of high slots allows for that 7th low, so it can triple rep like a myrm and fit a drone damage amp.
The myrm does excellently with an armour rep bonus and so would the domi. the vexor also fulfills the combat role at cruiser level.

as for the raven, i agree. it is already soft enough. a slight speed boost and the option for a nano or overdrive instead of the obligatory reactor control would be nice. shooting torps from 30km and having neuts that reach 25km would make an excellent kiter. i love it for an attack role

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Allandri
Liandri Industrial
#25 - 2012-12-12 00:47:05 UTC
So if no new hulls were to be added and just a role change for a few existing hulls, would it not make more sense to use the Black Ops hulls for the basis for disruption battleships? Just convert the Armageddon, Dominix, and Typhoon
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-12-12 00:58:41 UTC
Allandri wrote:
So if no new hulls were to be added and just a role change for a few existing hulls, would it not make more sense to use the Black Ops hulls for the basis for disruption battleships? Just convert the Armageddon, Dominix, and Typhoon


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fukier
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-12-12 04:35:54 UTC  |  Edited by: fukier
Paikis wrote:
Love the idea. Details are irrelevant, CCP will do that bit on their own.

+1, supported.



this...

we do really need a 4th hull for bs anyways to fit with balancing plans...

tbh i would love to see a 5th that is logi based...

Stitcher wrote:
the Lynx-class is canonically an obsolete friga
te.

If you're looking for a good name for a new Caldari ship, I propose Shrike.


from what i understand shrike is an avatar titan that refuses to stay alive...
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Allandri
Liandri Industrial
#28 - 2012-12-12 23:42:17 UTC
fukier wrote:
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we do really need a 4th hull for bs anyways to fit with balancing plans...

tbh i would love to see a 5th that is logi based...
....


Why? What purpose would this serve?
Hakan MacTrew
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-12-13 05:58:12 UTC
On the one hand, I can see the reasoning for a Logi BS. There's a frigate sand a cruiser, plus a T2 cruiser that fulfil these roles. A BS hull Goethe role would be a natural progression.

On the other hand, because these ships do their job si well, a logo BS would be redundant, short of making it a mini carrier with logo bonuses. That, while funky, is not appropriate or realistic.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-12-13 09:43:34 UTC
I didn't make it clear earlier, I'm in support of this idea. Maybe it can be done without adding any hulls, only repurposing available hulls. But I wouldn't complain about getting another battleship for each race.

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Allandri
Liandri Industrial
#31 - 2013-01-09 05:43:11 UTC
Bump in case the off chance that CCP Fozzie reads this
Senjiu Kanuba
Risk Breakers
SONS of BANE
#32 - 2013-01-09 05:53:05 UTC
Quote:
7.5% bonus to launcher RoF
(On the Minmatar Battleship)

That's probably too strong a bonus.

The Raven has 6 launchers and +5% RoF -> 750% of the dps of a single launcher.
This ship has 5 launchers and +7,5% RoF -> 687,5% of the dps of a single launcher.
Note that the Raven is a combat battleship while the other one is a support battleship.

But I like the idea too, just leave the balancing to CCP :-)
Beta Miner
COBRA Logistics
#33 - 2013-01-09 06:57:08 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
the Lynx-class is canonically an obsolete frigate.


Is there anyplace i can find info about this ship?

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Hakan MacTrew
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-01-09 07:11:10 UTC
Beta Miner wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
the Lynx-class is canonically an obsolete frigate.


Is there anyplace i can find info about this ship?

Google

But to save time, I HAD A LOOK.

Seems it was a ship used in the first EvE novel.

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