Intergalactic Summit

The Minmatar, Amarr, Caldari, Gallente anf the Jove all have crimes to answer for. CONCORD's failure to address these amount to criminal negligence.

I know exactly how ridiculous this sounds. The call for an public audit still stands.



CONCORD is not as fragile as you assume.



Following orders does not exempt them from criminal liability.



They will be judged by their peers, or as you put, those they are mandated to works against.



I as well as many others would like to hear CONCORD's response to this.

Right after your own puppet prostitute empress goes out the airlock.

Interesting position to take towards your allies, sir.

Heth's position isn't natural to the State and should not be permanent; we should all be careful not to let ourselves be tricked into rallying behind a tyrant just because he's able to toss us a few ideological victories and return the homeworld to our care (somewhat at least). Heth is here to serve a purpose, and once its served control should be turned back to the State and the people proper.



Mr. Sepherim,

The last thing we need to do is be throwing insults at each other, even if Vikarion was at fault for the instigation, our respective nations are still allies and the last thing we need is to be at each other throats. Now after that, the Amarr Empire is far from the most peace loving entity in the cluster and has (and continues) to be one of the most agressive nations in New Eden. I respect and honor Empress Jamyl as much as anyone, but lets not pretend that her rise hasn't come with its own baggage shall we? You and I both know the questionable circumstances of her return, the possible violation of ancient rights (cloning in an Heir) and her admirable, but still starkly anti-traditional direction she's taken the Empire.

Much like Heth, Jamyl is a product of a crisis.

Had the State not settled into an economic rut and internal dissent then Heth would have never came to power, his brand of power isn't typical of the State and brings with it dangerous possibilities, but the fact remains that he has managed to do much to secure that power and bring much needed vitality back to the State. Jamyl herself would have been outright rejected for breaking Amarrian law by the Heirs and people for violating the law by cloning herself had she not arrived in the nick of time to turn back the Elder Fleet. Our respective 'leaders' are not so different, and if I do recall, there was an attempt on her life in recent memory, which claimed the lives of thousands of Amarrian citizens and that of the Chamberlain when a station was destroyed...one that, Jamyl was supposed to be on too.

The Caldari-Gallente War never ended in a proper peace agreement, but a cease fire that ended with Caldari Prime being occupied by an enemy force, the Caldari people being driven from their home and the thus the setting of the stage for a deep seeded hatred between the Federation and the State. You mentioned earlier that there was no casus belli for the war and to a certain degree you may be right, but then I have to ask what was it when a Gallente carrier smashed into a Caldari station that ended in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians?

Whether you deem it so or not, a great deal of people saw the Caldari response as justifiable, and I can hardly imagine that any Amarrian would have suffered the insult if Amarr Prime had be conquered by the Minmatar and the Elder Fleet, only to have it put in their hands by a CONCORD driven 'peace' agreement.



The point I was trying to make was that Heth and Jamyl are both in regards to our respective nations almost unnatural. Jamyl killed herself, as per the law but was still able to seize the Empire by circumnavigating Amarrian law and riding to coronation on the shoulders of the star struck masses. Heth achieved power much the same way.

That is called terrorism, and implies actions are taken against the terrorists, which don't include war. The Empire's Bleak Lands were invaded before our war started by the Minmatarr who attacked our people and killed many... and yet, we didn't start a war. We fought the terrorists that threatened our border and population, but didn't retaliate in a full fledged war that would involve Minmatarr population.



I understand your reasons for going to war, which doesn't mean they are right. If the Caldari didn't want that peace, they shouldn't have signed the Yulai Accords when they had the chance. But by doing so, by entering CONCORD, they accepted the rules of the game. Don't take me wrong, I don't like CONCORD the smallest bit, but nations have to be consequent with their actions, and neither the Caldari nor, specially, the Minmatarr have.



I understand your point, and I agree with it to some extent. Which still doesn't justify starting a war. They may have several things in common, but their actions have been very different.

You think you are going to have all of eternity so that you may audit CONCORD and other groups? Almost all of their employees wont live for ever, neither does information about them. Do your self a favor, go do something useful and audit your belly button lint.

You have raised two points; I will reply to them separately, sir.

To the second; We were evicted from our homes. If a fight to reclaim ones' homeland is not valid, what is?

To the first. You excuse your lack of tact by the fact that you are not a politic, but you are making political claims. This is a paradox of your own making. If you are political enough to form and state your opinion on a topic of import, you are political enough to defend that position when confronted with its ramifications.

Further sir, you should be ashamed. You are not a politic, you are a Capsuleer. Your body is shield and armour, your fists are molten metal. Your thoughts end lives and bend worlds. To hide behind the shield of improper training is no defense - it is a declaration of your failings. A Capsuleer must be as skilled with politics as they are with warfare, for there is nothing - and no-one - for them to call upon beyond their own words and deeds. Your declaration of "I'm no politic" is as flat a cry on my ears as a miner declaring "I'm no fighter" to the suicide ganker bearing down upon them.

You are a warrior.
You are a scientist.
You are an engineer.
You are a politician.
You are a Capsuleer.