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Would a laser Tengu or Loki be fit blasphemy?

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Tech3ZH
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-01-08 18:38:25 UTC
Would like to be able to hang around longer in places where I might not be able to dock. Using a Tengu now but can only carry so much ammo in it, ya know. Was thinking lasers might go toward solving the crud-outta-ammo problem. I like shields better than armor. I have never trained laser stuff at all and frankly don't know much about it. Should I punch myself for even considering a laser Tengu or Loki and just go Legion?
bubble trout
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-01-08 18:52:16 UTC
I like the way you think.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-01-08 18:57:43 UTC
You can fit whatever you like as long as you have slots, pg, cpu. You simply not going to get any of the ship bonus, there are times where it does not matter, and then there are times where it matters. You, the user, get to decide which time it is.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Tia Arnette
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-01-08 18:59:22 UTC
Personally I'd yell blasphemy

I presume this is for pve in low or null sec. As a fix to the ammo problem have you considered ishtar & drones? My main char has excellent success in an ishtar & when I cross trained into the tengu it was only when my skills where very high that the Tengu started to shine.

Even now due to ammo & potential ship loss cost I still consider the ishtar a better pve boat, sure it's not as flexable as the Tengu & fitting is tight

Obviously if you don't have excellent drone skills this probably isn't a viable option.
Anyura
Smart Industries
Intaki-Business Logistics Union
#5 - 2013-01-08 18:59:24 UTC
Sounds cool, but only if I get a blaster loki to go with it.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-01-08 20:48:52 UTC
There's always the civilian blaster. It generates its own ammo from space dust!Big smile
Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-01-08 22:28:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiteo Hatto
I don't think it would work, DPS with right subs isn't even that "amazing" and it's going to be downright pitiful without the subsystem bonus. Thing with lasers(i only have tengu/legion right now) is that :
-You are locking yourself with sansha/blood raiders/amarr rats if you want to kill them in a reasonable amount of time(depends on ewar)
-They track disrupt you
-You have a HUGE em/therm hole with shields

As you've not trained any gunnery you are going to need a lot of turret support skills if you want to even hit targets. Then there is the cap thing too....

To be honest it sounds like a right pain in the rear.

Also, eve will become harder for you when you switch to turrets because tracking ewar is just...brutal.
To give an example, my exploration legion with:
-Tracking computer(optimal range script)
-T2 Pulses(scorch)
and me with ~12m gunnery SP(and legion subs at V) has a max kill range of 47km
If i get track disrupted by 2 or 3 rats(doesn't matter the size..) my range drops to ~12km and I can no longer hit **** unless i switch to tracking speed script and go under 10km. With multifreq crystals the range becomes like ~4.3km or something ridiculous.


^That was about lasers, however you really need a lot more lows than the Tengu can offer for autocannons/arties, you need to have gyros AND tracking enhancers in most cases.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-01-08 23:30:01 UTC
you can always go with a phantasm Roll

I should buy an Ishtar.

Akuma Tsukai
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-01-08 23:56:44 UTC
Go legion man.Both Tengu and Loki die when trying to fit lazors on, cap issues.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-01-09 00:17:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Plain
[Legion, iherduliekshields]

Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Gistum A-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Gistum A-Type Medium Shield Booster

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II

Legion Defensive - Augmented Plating
Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Propulsion - Chassis Optimization

I should buy an Ishtar.

Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#11 - 2013-01-09 00:36:58 UTC
concord only permits amar to shoot rainbows.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value

loki energon
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-01-09 03:30:31 UTC
mmmmm Bloki, i have a terrible problem fittng blasters on things. ill have to see how they work on a loki Twisted

kill em all.

Sodohm
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-01-10 09:45:47 UTC
If you plan to use the covops sub, its as good as the next weapon system. A loki, with its awesome em resist would allow you to indeed fit lasers and go pwn blood or sansha rats. Nevertheless, its quite qn expensive spaceship for not much, but if you're space rich, go for it.
DARKIFRIT
RAZNESU ssi
#14 - 2013-01-10 12:42:21 UTC
An interesting idea however your dps would be meh and you would get very short range out of it losing the kiting advantages....... BLASPHEMY
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-01-10 12:46:34 UTC
Here's the story:

A Legion was flying around and crossed a Loki and Tengu, guess what happened?

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Meditril
Lummerland GmbH
#16 - 2013-01-10 15:11:48 UTC
A Loki with cloaking subsystem gets only around 25% bonus on ROF of projectiles. So if you take into account that beams have a higher base DPS of roughly 15 to 20% and with beams you usually do not fight in fall-off like you do with projectiles then you can come to the result that using beams on a CloakyLoki doesn't hurt you much. I did it in the past and it is definatelly worth to give it a try, especially if you are fighting EM/Therm dealing stuff which itself is vulnerable to EM/Therm. Cap is however an issue, but solvable.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-01-10 15:30:15 UTC
Meditril wrote:
A Loki with cloaking subsystem gets only around 25% bonus on ROF of projectiles. So if you take into account that beams have a higher base DPS of roughly 15 to 20% and with beams you usually do not fight in fall-off like you do with projectiles then you can come to the result that using beams on a CloakyLoki doesn't hurt you much. I did it in the past and it is definatelly worth to give it a try, especially if you are fighting EM/Therm dealing stuff which itself is vulnerable to EM/Therm. Cap is however an issue, but solvable.



Stay away from the hams Legion, nasty active tank, excellent dps and enough slots to pin you twice.

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Maeltstome
Academy of the Unseen Arts
The Potato Alliance
#18 - 2013-01-10 17:02:49 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
[Legion, iherduliekshields]

Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Gistum A-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Gistum A-Type Medium Shield Booster

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II

Legion Defensive - Augmented Plating
Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Propulsion - Chassis Optimization


BRB, spending 3 billion on a null-sec ratting ship...
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-01-10 17:11:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Plain
Maeltstome wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
[Legion, iherduliekshields]

Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Gistum A-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Gistum A-Type Medium Shield Booster

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II

Legion Defensive - Augmented Plating
Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Propulsion - Chassis Optimization


BRB, spending 3 billion on a null-sec ratting ship...

brb getting 3bil by selling any one of the modules on my mission ship....

I should buy an Ishtar.