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Heavy mining drones - Help those poor miners
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Anthar Thebess
#1 - 2013-01-07 12:14:26 UTC
So main idea is to pull those greedy miner capitals ( orca, ronqal, ?? carrier ??) from a pos shield to a belt ;)

I propose creation of new drones:
- Hvy mining drone - 5 of them have a mining capability of 2 procurer
- Mining drone frigates - AI Version of venture ( but they cannot be assigned)

Orca have a capability do deploy up to 5 hvy mining drones.
Ronqual could deploy also 5 hvy mining drones or 5 drone Ventures
Carrier could be also capable of deploying those drones.


In case of highsec this would not change much - but in case of low and nullsec - moving your ronqual to the belts can significantly increase your mining output.

How to get those drones?
No! Bpo - bpc found in magnetometric sites ( also in higsec)
Materials : Drone materials and ventures.

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Hakan MacTrew
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Solyaris Chtonium
#2 - 2013-01-07 12:30:46 UTC
This heavy mining drone of yours, would make just about any BS an almost ungankable mining ship that could out mine a hulk.

I like the idwa of bigger and better mining drones, but the level you have suggested is way too OP.

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Anthar Thebess
#3 - 2013-01-07 12:56:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Anthar Thebess
The change to higsec will be minimal, yes one orca are 2 additional miners ... but why not.
The BIG change will be on the low/null side.

To be honest i don't mine :) But the idea to catch a mining carrier, ronquals on belts - this is tempting ;)
On the other side lower - this game should be for fun - most of the ore is already mined by bots - BE HONEST about this!.

If this will lower price for a new ships - i like this even more.

EDIT:
Ah i see , small misunderstanding.
Those HVY mining and AI frigates will not use the typical drone bay , but ship maintenance bay.
This is the reason i listed only Orca/Ronqual and Carrier.

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Hakan MacTrew
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Solyaris Chtonium
#4 - 2013-01-07 13:31:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Hakan MacTrew
Anthar Thebess wrote:
The change to higsec will be minimal, yes one orca are 2 additional miners ... but why not.
The BIG change will be on the low/null side.

To be honest i don't mine :) But the idea to catch a mining carrier, ronquals on belts - this is tempting ;)
On the other side lower - this game should be for fun - most of the ore is already mined by bots - BE HONEST about this!.

If this will lower price for a new ships - i like this even more.

EDIT:
Ah i see , small misunderstanding.
Those HVY mining and AI frigates will not use the typical drone bay , but ship maintenance bay.
This is the reason i listed only Orca/Ronqual and Carrier.


Ok, the best way to get orcas and rorqals out of POS shields is to remove the shields. There's a chance this is already going to happen with the POS revamp.

As for using a maintenance bay I.stead of a drone bay for a mining drone... I'm going to guess that would seriously mess up how the whole drone system work's.

Minimal effect on high sec mining... How about no. An Orca would become the best solo miner in the game. Not only would it mine more than a fully boosted Hulk, bit it would also be able to stay out in a belt 3 times longer than a Mackinaw. Oh, and it would be able to fit over 250k ehp of buffer, so it would be virtually gank proof. How exactly is that helping to reduce bot mining?

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Anthar Thebess
#5 - 2013-01-07 13:42:17 UTC
Well you could still prevent using of this drones in higsec.
Why?
"Because of their unstable ai nature - they are banned in higsec"

I really like to see all those juicy capitals on the belts ;)

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Hakan MacTrew
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Solyaris Chtonium
#6 - 2013-01-07 16:00:52 UTC
Ok, so lets look at a carrier with a rack of these drones in its maintainance bay. It still has space for a full slight of 15 Fighters or other drones, as well as 15 of these Heavy Mining Drones.

It will potentially pull in over 7k m3 per minute, over double the amount of a max boosted Hulk. It can then pull in its Mining Drones and put out fighters doing about 1800 dps...

And for the record, the AI Ventures only pull in about 9% more than those Heavy Drones your suggesting.

These things would strip belts in minutes.



So, I say again, if you want to get these ships out of POS bubbles and into belts, then wait for the POS revamp where they will probably be removing the shields altogther, problem solved.

In the mean time, your idea is still way too over powered. My take Heavy Mining Drones would be to give them a 50% yield increase on normal Mining Drones and make them use 15mb of Bandwidth each. Something like a Vexor ould pull in about the same as a procurer, if it used Mining Drone Rigs. An Orca would still draw in just less than a Venture.

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Dreusyla Arashi
LitlCorp
#7 - 2013-01-07 17:48:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Dreusyla Arashi
technicly theres already a heavy mining drone... its called a harvester drone weighs as much and uses as much bandwidth as a heavy drone and harvests double what a miner 2 can, also the shields will not be removed from a pos.. dont know where it is you are getting that bad idea from
Hakan MacTrew
Konrakas Forged
Solyaris Chtonium
#8 - 2013-01-07 17:58:43 UTC
Dreusyla Arashi wrote:
technicly theres already a heavy mining drone... its called a harvester drone weighs as much and uses as much bandwidth as a heavy drone and harvests double what a miner 2 can, also the shields will not be removed from a pos.. dont know where it is you are getting that bad idea from

Don't know where you got that from. The Harvester Mining Drone uses the same bandwidth as a Medium Drone, not a Heavy Drone, and yields 20% more than a T2 Mining Drone, not double. It's also over 400 times more expensive than a T2 Mining Drone.

It's kind of like saying Heavy Drones are not needed because there are Faction Medium Drones.

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Dave Stark
#9 - 2013-01-07 18:15:29 UTC
Hakan MacTrew wrote:
Dreusyla Arashi wrote:
technicly theres already a heavy mining drone... its called a harvester drone weighs as much and uses as much bandwidth as a heavy drone and harvests double what a miner 2 can, also the shields will not be removed from a pos.. dont know where it is you are getting that bad idea from

Don't know where you got that from. The Harvester Mining Drone uses the same bandwidth as a Medium Drone, not a Heavy Drone, and yields 20% more than a T2 Mining Drone, not double. It's also over 400 times more expensive than a T2 Mining Drone.

It's kind of like saying Heavy Drones are not needed because there are Faction Medium Drones.


and it's also hideously slow so the mining yield is in practice, lower than t2 mining drones, that's why nobody uses them, ever.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-01-07 18:17:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
eh, i was a proponent of something similar, a 25m3 mining drone that could mine somewhat less then a procurer as an alternative before the lol mining buffs. As a sort of revitalization to mining non-barge/exhumers and non-strip mining modules
Anthar Thebess
#11 - 2013-01-07 22:36:17 UTC
But i want pull nullsec capitals from pos shields ;)

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-01-07 22:51:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Go and try Rorqual and siege it. You will learn very quickly why it's usually inside POS shield.

Hint:
- Industrial Core cycle time is quite long if you get jumped.
- Your ship will be unable to move when Industrial Core is active
- Your ship will be unable to warp when Industrial Core is active
- Your ship will be unable to jump when Industrial Core is active
- You can't be remotely assisted in any way when Industrial Core is active
Anthar Thebess
#13 - 2013-01-08 08:00:13 UTC
Well ronqual can be found on belts. As they are doing few other things there ;)

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Jorma Morkkis
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Caldari State
#14 - 2013-01-08 10:11:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Well ronqual can be found on belts. As they are doing few other things there ;)


Why use Rorqual if you don't use deployed mode?

Since even T1 BCs can give same mining link bonus in that case. 16 bil hull vs. 30 mil hull.

And no, Orca and Rorqual aren't mining ships.
Griffin Omanid
Knights of the Zodiac
#15 - 2013-01-08 10:47:09 UTC
Wasn´t there once the idea with the ORE Mining Capital. I can´t find it now. But I still think an ORE Carrier could maybe be able to use these mining drones, but they should be considered as fighters and then maybe get the same amount like a venture. Also this carrier should get a bonus for mining forman modules and Capital tractor beams, both lesser then Orca and Rorqual. and obviously the typicall Capital problems like no high sec and the agility of a stranded whale.

The only problem could be that this carrier would also be packed with sentries or heavy drones (I wouldn´t allow it to carry normal fighters), which will be deployed after the miners where assigned to other miners.

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