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Only drone boats for capital PvE?
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Kiwis23
Kiwis Corp
#1 - 2013-01-07 23:25:30 UTC
So really...
There are no projectile, no missiles and no lazers capitals that would be decent enough for solo pve?
I'm a missile man myself, and I like them. I'd love to get a capital one day to help my corp in WH... But I just don't like drones and their interface right now. Not mentioning training skills from scratch...

As far as I looked around, only drone boats are able to pve solo... anywhere - low, null or WH. That's because they can carry different size drones for every ocasion and ship type.

So a question - Am I missing something about this? Was this addressed before? Does CCP has anything to say about it?
Akuma Tsukai
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-01-07 23:50:25 UTC
Correct me if im wrong but does this man plans to PVE in a capital class ship?Shocked
Kiwis23
Kiwis Corp
#3 - 2013-01-07 23:53:17 UTC
And what's wrong with that?
Flakey Foont
#4 - 2013-01-08 00:09:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Flakey Foont
Drones in WH?


There are plenty of ships that can solo everywhere.....in the end it is the pilot.

And what does CCP need to address?

Very confusing post.
Kiwis23
Kiwis Corp
#5 - 2013-01-08 00:36:34 UTC
What I mean - Why only drones? Why there are no decent missiles, projectile, lazers capitals.
Yabba Addict
Legion of the Many
#6 - 2013-01-08 00:37:35 UTC
I think i know what you're trying to say...For solo pve it generally is the case that carriers are the way to go. Saying that, dreads are used in the higher class WHs, but not solo as it is a group activity in C5/6.
Kiwis23
Kiwis Corp
#7 - 2013-01-08 00:40:00 UTC
Yabba Addict wrote:
I think i know what you're trying to say...For solo pve it generally is the case that carriers are the way to go. Saying that, dreads are used in the higher class WHs, but not solo as it is a group activity in C5/6.

Indeed.
Jane O'Sirus
The Vicious Circle
#8 - 2013-01-08 00:40:34 UTC
you cant solo in anything but a drone boat for caps.
Why?
The only other option is guns.. Lets go down the list
Missiles, Blasters, and Autos cant hit **** unless it is webbed and painted to hell
I run in a C6 WH, and we NEED 3 loki's to effectively run sites. Each has 3 webs and a painter. They all paint primary, web each target. 3 at a time. and remember, this is with BATTLESHIPS

Missiles, well they just ******* suck. Its a well-known fact that a pheonix cant hit ANYTHING moving and without a sig radius of a station. It just isn't effective..

Hence drones. They hit well, with decent damage. And you can tank as well with a carrier.

tldr cap guns cant hit ****, drones can
Kiwis23
Kiwis Corp
#9 - 2013-01-08 00:40:58 UTC
Yabba Addict wrote:
I think i know what you're trying to say...For solo pve it generally is the case that carriers are the way to go. Saying that, dreads are used in the higher class WHs, but not solo as it is a group activity in C5/6.

Indeed. Why only carriers? why no missile capital?
Red zeon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-01-08 00:41:16 UTC
well i hope you know u cant use capitals in empire, only in wh, lowsec and nullsec
but there is capital ships that use blasters/railguns, lasers and missiles.
they are called dreads. and cost about the same as carriers, but theyr tracking kinda suck, so people dont use em much for pve :P
also theres titans, but i bet they are out of your price range
Kiwis23
Kiwis Corp
#11 - 2013-01-08 00:44:29 UTC
Jane O'Sirus wrote:
you cant solo in anything but a drone boat for caps.
Why?
The only other option is guns.. Lets go down the list
Missiles, Blasters, and Autos cant hit **** unless it is webbed and painted to hell
I run in a C6 WH, and we NEED 3 loki's to effectively run sites. Each has 3 webs and a painter. They all paint primary, web each target. 3 at a time. and remember, this is with BATTLESHIPS

Missiles, well they just ******* suck. Its a well-known fact that a pheonix cant hit ANYTHING moving and without a sig radius of a station. It just isn't effective..

Hence drones. They hit well, with decent damage. And you can tank as well with a carrier.

tldr cap guns cant hit ****, drones can



okay, but if carriers has bonuses for all size and type drones as well as can carry and manage all, why there are no capitla that could ft let's say heavy missile launchers with decent bonuses? maybe even shooting 2 missiles at a time or so?...

WHY the ONLY options is the drones? WHY CPP does not make other ships of capable something similar?
Red zeon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-01-08 00:46:11 UTC
carriers dont get bonuses to all drones, only thanatos and it for fighters
Kiwis23
Kiwis Corp
#13 - 2013-01-08 00:50:48 UTC
fine, maybe not bonuses, but they can fit them t use decently enough.
Red zeon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-01-08 00:54:50 UTC
well so u dont want a capital ship that uses capital guns, but capitals that use medium missiles?
either shoot yourself or buy a caldari dread and fit medium missiles on it.
they are unbonused but so are the carrier to for medium drones.

Quote:
okay, but if carriers has bonuses for all size and type drones as well as can carry and manage all, why there are no capitla that could ft let's say heavy missile launchers with decent bonuses? maybe even shooting 2 missiles at a time or so?...


im saying, you missunderstand the concept of capitals.
Kiwis23
Kiwis Corp
#15 - 2013-01-08 00:58:06 UTC
obviously I did.
Well, drone skills it is then...
vyshnegradsky
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#16 - 2013-01-08 01:12:05 UTC
posting in a stealth nerf carrier thread. Also, that was just painful to read.

This one's a bit over the edge guys.

Locked for breaking... well, pretty much all the rules.

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GreenSeed
#17 - 2013-01-08 02:59:19 UTC
i think hes asking for capital battleships, sounds cool, but in practice they don't fit anywhere, unless they end up gutted like the marauders.

would be nice to see the current third tier of "brick" battleships given some more "brick" flavor, maybe when the rebalance gets to them. then i can see those ships finding a place both in pve and pvp. i would go for a hull that either cant fit reps or has a negative bonus on them, having to rely on his own buffer or fleet logis to stay in field.

anyway, more capitals would be a bad idea, but beefier battleships i don't think would be a bad thing.
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#18 - 2013-01-08 03:05:35 UTC
Kiwis23 wrote:
And what's wrong with that?


Capital ships are not just battleships++. They all have very specific roles and none of them exist for PVE. Some people have found ways to make capital PVE work in certain circumstances but it's not intended and you are certainly not likely to see CCP introduce mechanics specifically to make capital PVE easier.
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#19 - 2013-01-08 03:15:15 UTC
Jane O'Sirus wrote:
I run in a C6 WH, and we NEED 3 loki's to effectively run sites.


One is enough. Get your other 2 Lokis into MOAR DREDS!
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-01-08 03:57:39 UTC
I hear Titans make a mean mining platform.
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