These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Crime & Punishment

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Collective front launched against the New Order, James315 and miner bumping.

First post First post
Author
Michael Loney
Skullspace Industries
#421 - 2013-01-07 19:51:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Michael Loney
You can't fight a kamikaze pilot.

Best case, you get a gank fleet together and pre-gank them. Hard to do when they instawarp on undock to a safe spot for ~10-15 seconds then warp to zero on target.

You may take out one ore two before CONCORD shows up but they already planned on losing the ship so you have not changed anything from their point of view.

If we, as miners, could fight back, we would. Most of us have heavily training into *gasp* mining and lack the skills to effectively gank with a decent chance.

Also no matter what, we lose, either our barge / exhumer or whatever we choose to pre-gank you with. The gankers lose the exact same amount of isk / time / profit in either case. No matter what we lose time and for a miner time is money.

I would be willing to pay for a permit if it did not require my pilot to 'Praise James 315 and his New Order" in my bio.

Also I am iffy on their "Concord Manipulation" as being 100% OK with CPP ( Not an exploit, but damn close )

http://www.minerbumping.com/2012/12/ganking-101-concord-manipulation.html
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#422 - 2013-01-07 20:04:11 UTC
Michael Loney wrote:
I would be willing to pay for a permit if it did not require my pilot to 'Praise James 315 and his New Order" in my bio.

This is the dodgy logic that gets miners blown up.

Either way, you don't have to praise James in your bio. A simple note stating your support of the New Order suffices (in fact, the bio is completely optional, but it helps Agents refrain from targeting you).
Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
#423 - 2013-01-07 20:41:39 UTC
Michael Loney wrote:
You can't fight a kamikaze pilot.

Best case, you get a gank fleet together and pre-gank them. Hard to do when they instawarp on undock to a safe spot for ~10-15 seconds then warp to zero on target.

You may take out one ore two before CONCORD shows up but they already planned on losing the ship so you have not changed anything from their point of view.

If we, as miners, could fight back, we would. Most of us have heavily training into *gasp* mining and lack the skills to effectively gank with a decent chance.

Also no matter what, we lose, either our barge / exhumer or whatever we choose to pre-gank you with. The gankers lose the exact same amount of isk / time / profit in either case. No matter what we lose time and for a miner time is money.

I would be willing to pay for a permit if it did not require my pilot to 'Praise James 315 and his New Order" in my bio.

Also I am iffy on their "Concord Manipulation" as being 100% OK with CPP ( Not an exploit, but damn close )

http://www.minerbumping.com/2012/12/ganking-101-concord-manipulation.html


This is why paying the 10,000,000 ISK for a one year mining permit is the smart economic move for any miner intent on maximizing his profit. Putting "I support James 315 and the New Order. www.minerbumping.com " in your bio doesn't hurt you a bit. So what if someone else looks at that and thinks you gave in. You're a miner, no one is expecting you to be William Wallace.

In return, you don't get bumped or ganked and all you have to do is follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct which is for the good of the miner in the first place. You get to sit safely mining and enjoying the lively local chat, the discomforting of your business rivals and the spectacular sound and light show put on by the Knights.

People donate billions to James 315 to further the goals of the New Order of Highsec. You are asked for a small 10,000,000 ISK donation that goes towards removing afking botters and other bot aspirants from the ice fields and asteroid belts. Paying it proves you are dedicated to being part of the solution to the problems faced in Highsec by all the good intentioned players like the New Order. Some refuse to pay at first of course but we Agents are known for our patience. We will continue to hold out hope for the non compliant. When you look at it that way, its sort of an act of love on our part. Join with me in saying:

Highsec is worth fighting for.

Bing Bangboom
Agent of the New Order of Highsec
Belligerent Undesirable

Highsec is worth fighting for.

By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.  www.minerbumping.com

Anslo
Scope Works
#424 - 2013-01-07 20:58:03 UTC
Or spend some isk and hire a few merc corps to interdict everything from Zanitu-Braun and CODEdot.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#425 - 2013-01-07 21:03:57 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Or spend some isk and hire a few merc corps to interdict everything from Zanitu-Braun and CODEdot.

Much, much, much cheaper to pay us though.
Anslo
Scope Works
#426 - 2013-01-07 21:05:16 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Or spend some isk and hire a few merc corps to interdict everything from Zanitu-Braun and CODEdot.

Much, much, much cheaper to pay us though.


But much, much, much more rewarding to see the lulz of interdiction.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#427 - 2013-01-07 21:08:12 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Or spend some isk and hire a few merc corps to interdict everything from Zanitu-Braun and CODEdot.

Much, much, much cheaper to pay us though.


But much, much, much more rewarding to see the lulz of interdiction.

Except, y'know, none of the miners that tried that have ever gotten to see the 'lulz of interdiction'.
Anslo
Scope Works
#428 - 2013-01-07 21:09:36 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Or spend some isk and hire a few merc corps to interdict everything from Zanitu-Braun and CODEdot.

Much, much, much cheaper to pay us though.


But much, much, much more rewarding to see the lulz of interdiction.

Except, y'know, none of the miners that tried that have ever gotten to see the 'lulz of interdiction'.

Because they never had a single target. Now we do.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#429 - 2013-01-07 21:12:44 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Or spend some isk and hire a few merc corps to interdict everything from Zanitu-Braun and CODEdot.

Much, much, much cheaper to pay us though.


But much, much, much more rewarding to see the lulz of interdiction.

Except, y'know, none of the miners that tried that have ever gotten to see the 'lulz of interdiction'.

Because they never had a single target. Now we do.

No you don't. CODE. is an alliance of ganky alts below -5.0 and dedicated wardeccers. Attacking it will a) not affect the gankers and b) not affect the bumpers. The only effect will be that the wardeccers get targets to fight.
Anslo
Scope Works
#430 - 2013-01-07 21:16:03 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
No you don't. CODE. is an alliance of ganky alts below -5.0 and dedicated wardeccers. Attacking it will a) not affect the gankers and b) not affect the bumpers. The only effect will be that the wardeccers get targets to fight.


Welp, keeps them busy along with any potential logistics they might have.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#431 - 2013-01-07 21:18:30 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Welp, keeps them busy along with any potential logistics they might have.

We don't have logistics. Our suppliers are completely crowdsourced and all unrelated to the New Order.
Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
#432 - 2013-01-07 21:19:17 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Or spend some isk and hire a few merc corps to interdict everything from Zanitu-Braun and CODEdot.

Much, much, much cheaper to pay us though.


But much, much, much more rewarding to see the lulz of interdiction.


Good to see that the rumor that Anslo had bio'd his character were untrue.

Rebel miners, your leader has returned to you! All the success you have achieved in resisting the New Order you owe to this man. Continue to follow his advice and enjoy the mining environment he has forged for you.

Don't forget to read the latest posting on his website. It confirms he is not dead. But he's been busy so he's been gone doing important stuff. Now he's back and things will go back to the way they were.

A day may come when the courage of miners fails, when they forsake their friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of woes and shattered Machinaws, when the age of Blue Ice comes crashing down! But it is not this day! This day you shall petition! By all that you hold dear in this good Eve, I bid you *AFK, Bots of the West!*

BBB

Highsec is worth fighting for.

By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.  www.minerbumping.com

Anslo
Scope Works
#433 - 2013-01-07 21:21:04 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Welp, keeps them busy along with any potential logistics they might have.

We don't have logistics. Our suppliers are completely crowdsourced and all unrelated to the New Order.


Then we'll find them Smile

Bing Bangboom wrote:
Words


Brace yourself, Winter is Coming. Smile

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#434 - 2013-01-07 21:47:18 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Welp, keeps them busy along with any potential logistics they might have.

We don't have logistics. Our suppliers are completely crowdsourced and all unrelated to the New Order.


Then we'll find them Smile

Bing Bangboom wrote:
Words


Brace yourself, Winter is Coming. Smile

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Alana Charen-Teng
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#435 - 2013-01-08 03:11:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Alana Charen-Teng
Michael Loney wrote:
You can't fight a kamikaze pilot.

To defeat suicide gankers, you have to find ways to make sure their target survives the gank. That's all it is.

Michael Loney wrote:

Best case, you get a gank fleet together and pre-gank them. Hard to do when they instawarp on undock to a safe spot for ~10-15 seconds then warp to zero on target.

Killing the gankers early is one strategy that has worked in a few isolated instances. There's no need to suicide gank the gankers, as they are already legal targets to everyone in highsec.

Michael Loney wrote:

You may take out one ore two before CONCORD shows up but they already planned on losing the ship so you have not changed anything from their point of view.

You have forced them to spend time on an unsuccessful gank. That time has value.

Michael Loney wrote:

If we, as miners, could fight back, we would. Most of us have heavily training into *gasp* mining and lack the skills to effectively gank with a decent chance.

Not all counter-gank strategies revolve around firepower. And no, your attempt to report us as "ISK Scammers" is not a useful counter-gank strategy. For an affordable fee, I am willing to act as a private consultant for your gank defense team.
Lin Suizei
#436 - 2013-01-08 05:00:31 UTC
Anslo wrote:

A couple of bad, bad posts.


Anslo, you have not prevented a single gank thus far.

Lol I can't delete my forum sig.

Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#437 - 2013-01-08 09:25:13 UTC
One of the miners I ganked made a killright available on me! /o\

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#438 - 2013-01-08 12:53:27 UTC
Well...now that Salvador has given up, Anslo has no competition as 'Supreme Rebel Commander'.

Hmmmmm.

Didn't take long for the Rebel Cause to start the inevitable infighting, it seems.

Twisted

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.

Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#439 - 2013-01-08 13:33:47 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
Well...now that Salvador has given up, Anslo has no competition as 'Supreme Rebel Commander'.

Hmmmmm.

Didn't take long for the Rebel Cause to start the inevitable infighting, it seems.

Twisted


You should have seen the EVEMail arguments that Capt Lynch and Anslo got into.
Yuri Wayfare
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
#440 - 2013-01-08 15:20:12 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Brace yourself, Winter is Coming. Smile

Nice to see you haven't quit Big smile

Sad to see you're still only blowing hot air Sad

Maybe you should do something first, then come and smack about it?

"Suddenly, trash pickers! HUNDREDS of winos going through your recyclables." -Piugattuk

Be careful what you wish for.