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Intaki Rebirth

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Valentine Arkanian
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-01-06 21:58:48 UTC
I originally posted this question in GD, because I didn't know this forum also functioned as a lore forum.

I was reading some of the lore before I created my character and Reborn sounded interesting, but I'm not sure what it means or how it's done. Evelopedia is pretty vague, just describing it as the transfer of a dying person's personality into a newborn. Does this include memories? Are there generations upon generations that have had reborn and transferred to a single brain? Would a reborn Intaki have hundreds or thousands of years of memory that doesn't belong to them?

The mystical aspect is what attracted me to it, but I'm not sure what it means in practice.
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#2 - 2013-01-06 22:20:13 UTC
It always sounded more like reincarnation to me. I don't believe most people are usually aware that they are the reincarnation of an another soul.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

Valentine Arkanian
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-01-06 23:09:20 UTC
If the intent is to keep the spirit alive and to teach others, then wouldn't the point be that something of the person who had died would have to continue on to the next person?

From the EVElopedia:

"One core tenet is that all things are in a cycle. Death leads to rebirth. A solution only leads to more problems. We know that the "soul" or "spirit" is eternal and will be reborn many times to learn new lessons, and once it fully understands the cycle it may finally move on. The Reborn are an important part of this. These were people who had reached a level of understanding that they may choose to be liberated, but choose to remain and teach others. In earlier times there were many tests and rituals to ensure that a soul had indeed been reborn, and through mental discipline and training these Reborn were able to continue their life work over many lifetimes. These rare people were given the title of Idama.

In modern times, with the assistance of technology, the rebirth process has been made more certain. In fact many of the techniques and experiences of the Reborn have assisted the development and perfection of psyche restoration and cloning. But even today the status of Idama is still reserved for those who have been reborn without assistance."
Kalanaja
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-01-07 03:27:31 UTC
It has nothing to do with game mechanics. It's Intaki semi-religious belief structure. Idama would be the equivalent of the Dalai-Lama. Intaki religion and beliefs seem semi-structured around a Buddhist/Hindu ideal.
Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
#5 - 2013-01-07 12:40:12 UTC
Valentine Arkanian wrote:
I originally posted this question in GD, because I didn't know this forum also functioned as a lore forum.

I was reading some of the lore before I created my character and Reborn sounded interesting, but I'm not sure what it means or how it's done. Evelopedia is pretty vague, just describing it as the transfer of a dying person's personality into a newborn. Does this include memories? Are there generations upon generations that have had reborn and transferred to a single brain? Would a reborn Intaki have hundreds or thousands of years of memory that doesn't belong to them?

The mystical aspect is what attracted me to it, but I'm not sure what it means in practice.

While there's not a huge amount of information on the Rebirth process (and what it means for the newborn involved) there are a few hints that might help you in terms of your questions on memories.

Possibly the most famous Idama is Vremaja Idama, who was part of an old live event story arc. Some of his quotes appear to include recollections of memories from previous incarnations when he spoke of the Intaki reactions during Gallente-Caldari war.

Additionally the RISE incident in YC109 focussed on a drug which aided the ability to recover forgotten memories. Reborn Intaki were an obvious target group.

Hope these two links help.
Valentine Arkanian
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-01-07 13:15:10 UTC
Kalanaja wrote:
It has nothing to do with game mechanics. It's Intaki semi-religious belief structure. Idama would be the equivalent of the Dalai-Lama. Intaki religion and beliefs seem semi-structured around a Buddhist/Hindu ideal.

I wasn't thinking of it in terms of an in-game mechanism, but rather in RP terms.
Valentine Arkanian
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-01-07 13:19:35 UTC
Bataav wrote:
While there's not a huge amount of information on the Rebirth process (and what it means for the newborn involved) there are a few hints that might help you in terms of your questions on memories.

Possibly the most famous Idama is Vremaja Idama, who was part of an old live event story arc. Some of his quotes appear to include recollections of memories from previous incarnations when he spoke of the Intaki reactions during Gallente-Caldari war.

Additionally the RISE incident in YC109 focussed on a drug which aided the ability to recover forgotten memories. Reborn Intaki were an obvious target group.

Hope these two links help.

Those are very helpful. Thank you!
Davith en Divalone
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-01-07 16:40:48 UTC
Just my in reading of lore, there's two things going on. There's the natural/spiritual rebirth process in which people discover past lives. Then there's the technologically facilitated process, in which, the experiences and education of one person with valuable skills are imprinted on a child/fetus, possibly a clone. My views on the latter are probably influenced by C. J. Cherryh's Cyteen, which centers on the moral and spiritual development of two clones, one of which is raised in conditions identical to her predecessor, the other which is violently forced to be different from his.

My RP strategy is that my character knows a fair chunk of what his predecessor learned via education and imprinting. But because many things change it's not that big of an advantage. Rebirth is also an opportunity to grow in new ways, so Pior Life is more like being raised with stories of an absent parent rather than an obligation to revisit old relationships or ways of thinking.