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There are not many history cases of collateralized defaulted investments. Those I can recall, the investors were quite pushing to get ISK back.
In one case where there were tangible losses (collateral would not cover 100%) I offered myself to take the whole debt and pay 100% in exchange of letting me do payments. The investors preferred losing money and get ISK back ASAP over waiting for some time and get 100%.

So, expect to get pressure. As usual, not everything is sharply defined in EvE, the very fact you accepted to hold collateral somehow makes investors *trust* you have somehow investigated the investee and know the deal is bound to end well or with little to no adverse consequences.
In case *hit happens you are expected to have a "plan B", and you'll get pressured.
I.e. two times I had to hold a vastly illiquid number of assets, furthermore one of those that for some reason (be it speculation or whatever) won't rise in value for years again.
What to do? At this point you'll have to find the answer within yourself and your resources.
After long thinking I priced the collateral to the second chart downswing and took the risk. All the collateral holders who accept speculative / illiquid collateral risk more than a little.
Another case had been dealing with a pimp boat used as collateral, located on a hi sec island. The implications of the investment failing would be tangible.
I also got 2 "investments" where the self proclaimed investee just wanted to basically dump bulky / second rate collateral. That is, he never really intended to honor his bond / loan.
In the end I made 30% by reprocessing / selling their stuff so I can't really complain but once again, it involved me having high standings alts, freightering alts and other.

To me, 3rd party and (on a just less below grade) collateral holding is some of the most highest end game a player may hope to achieve in EvE, as such those professions are quite hard to "enter in" (be accepted by a community as "trustworthy") and even harder to execute in case something goes wrong.

Emma does it well to plan in advance, it's not something you invent in a day and after endless years you can fall to the dust for a single wrong move. F90X case is still recalled and got linked in GD right this week.

As if ever there was any doubt about it

EDIT: Good Luck I hope this work out for you.

Actually, there was doubt, of that you can be assured :)
If I had thought of it as too much to handle, then I would not have gone through with it at all, no sense in doing something if you know beforehand you're going to end in the gutter.
And thank you very much.

I have slapped a quick check about you and found really nothing "special".

Well, there is this old post where I sort of explained some collateral pricing methods, which you could find useful these days.

I also don't expect you'd be so imprudent not to forge your API history to make it look OK, if you wanted.

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The only reliable ways I have seen to earn some trust are basically in doing and be judged over time.

Now, there's a big issue where a rather large category of players seem to be ready to compromise their integrity for a big enough amount of money, even if it's just virtual currency. Either that or they believe the next guy is ready to cash in any time.

This makes your life as perspective collateral holder harder, because it's rather hard to convince them that you are not like that. There's also the factor where people judge others basing on themselves and it appears a lot feel like they'd indeed sell themselves for a certain amount indeed. They project their own belief on the others, including you.

One of the few "helpers" is to demonstrate somehow you are so filthy rich that you'd not bother scamming the "paltry" sums involved in your services.

I don't know exactly why I have convinced people to trust me despite I have been quite poor till I started swing trading. I can only guess it's been because I somehow talked enough (often saying utter crap! ) for them to know how I am: that is possibly an utter moron but that couldn't steal a grain of salt even if it jumped in my pocket. And that's plenty enough!
This is also possibly why Shar was trusted too when he played.

If that theory is correct, then you'll need to reply to threads and generally make the other guys know you, how you think, what you believe in and so on, for quite some time.

A good starting point could be me borrowing you something valuable for a while and see if you send it back.

Now, I have an unspecified number of billions worth of materials and could borrow these you to "test" you'll give them back, but then everybody will say you just gave it back because you want to "pass the test with VV".
So you have got to find someone else to do that in my place.

It's not just lame, it's going to actually make people understand you are "farming" rep and will translate into a nice punch in your guts.

It's also not something "you" can cause. It's something that has to happen by itself.
I.e. you can't "convince yourself" that you HAVE to post.
You have to really be interested in a number of topics, i.e. how markets work, how loans work, giving suggestions to other people and so on. Also, sometimes I tend to ramble and talk my stories a lot in game, on SCC Lounge. Like today, rambling about BG2 and Planescape: Torment till we got disconnected by DT.
Because *that* is the point people want to see in you: participation. Not empty words.


Also, about "becoming by doing" is indeed a nice thing to do.

What worked for me was to take super small jobs at first, and for free.

That was some of my most fruitful purchase I have done in my gaming life. Along with BG2, it defined an era. An era I miss.

There is nobody forcing you to use my services, once I open up.

As you have undoubtedly deduced from
A - The topic
and
B - All the posts in this thread,

you will also have understood that any service offered by myself is unexistant at this time.
In the event that you have not bothered to read the entire thread, I kindly urge you to do so, and offer any criticism and/or sage advice afterwards.

Untill then, I will regard your post as a bad attempt at trolling.