Out of Pod Experience

op i don't think you get how it works. yes it's exstremly unlikely that a planet will have life but there are 10 of billions of trillions of billions of stars with planets in orbit so it's very unlikely that we are alone.

Great. Now it's gonna take another 30 years to get that tune out of my head again.

this really. what if it's a silica-based lifeform that breathes nitrogen and proliferates in ammonia-rich environments? what if it's a lifeform that lives in an environment with 10 G's of gravity, or extreme atmospheric pressures?



it's all in the eye of the beholder. what one must know is, if you find intelligent life, prepare to be surprised, because it might not even have eyes, legs, arms or even mouths. it might even be a blob that breathes sulphur and communicates thru telepathy or any other type of communication method we don't know, nor even dream about.

The stuff that makes us seems to occur naturally in space, everywhere and no planet is needed. Why are you presuming that the source of life as we know it is not the norm for life in the universe? You are using your creativity again instead of looking at what facts we have at our disposal.

That kind of behavior I find laughable.






You may be the first person to suggest that when we look up to the stars and ask "is there anyone out there?" we are some how talking about monkeys. You get an A+ for creative ridiculousness and debate technique. But... no. Srsly. lol.

Inventive... but again... No. Allow me to shed some reality on this.



Earth began as a planet that hosted a variety of primordial life forms that would seem very alien in our modern age. You can see them in the ponds of Yellowstone and in sea floor magma vents. They metabolized things that we would consider toxic, and some of them have metabolic processes that until recently, science thought was impossible.


All of these life forms were phased out by life forms that utilized the sun as an energy source. It was much more plentiful and much more abundant then any other form of consumption, and the by product was oxygen. Oxygen is extremely toxic to the predecessors of photosynthesis, and as they became more successful everything else was poisoned, replaced and died out.



Neither Can Generate Intelligence

"Sulfur breathers" for lack of a better term would not have enough energy to support complex biological processes that involve high energy. Photosynthesis also, is not high enough energy to support intelligence.


Oxygen is key.


Oxygen is free energy. It is a highly reactive gas that allows us to monopolize on the reactivity of said gas. It is that energy that allows us to burn the fuel required for complex thought and complex biological processes. So before you go spouting how "other beings can breath "insert randomness" consider what you are actually saying. Does said gas have enough raw reactive energy to be as effective as oxygen in the first place? Do you even know how many gases, if any, can be used in place of oxygen?


Or are you just letting your creativity run away with you like so many others that came before you? That is probably the case since you mentioned alien telepathy in a discussion about the likelihood of intelligent life vs non-intelligent life occurring in the universe.

look, all I'm saying is, just because we are, doesn't mean that aliens are as well. maybe they do use a less reactive gas, or even an even more reactive gas like sodium in gas form.

also, considering sulfur, there are sulfate-reducing bacteria right here in this world. wouldn't it be correct to think that there actually are intelligent life forms that use an unknown process to extract high energy from sulphurous compounds?
Also, you are basing yourself in terran creatures metabolism cycles. what if they have a much slower metabolism?


thing is: we don't know.. Just because we came to be with XYZ process doesn't mean that somewhere out there, there are lifeforms that base themselves on process ABC or DEF, or even ZAT or whatever concoction you can come up with. So yeah, in the end I might be imaginative, but you restrict yourself too, thinking that they work in a similar process as ours.

Looks like the exact blah blah I was referring to in my Op. He makes no mention of how Venus became so warm, or how a exoplanet flung from a sun can sustain complex lifeforms in the pitch black near-absolute zero of deep space. He is not even addressing magnetic fields, sputtering of solar wind, core composition, lunar environmental controls or even how much radiation a planet would be absorbing if it was orbiting that close to those faint red dwarf stars.



It is a perfect example of what I was referring to in my Op. As a result any value that he claims to have come up with are just random numbers that have no real meaning. May I remind everyone here that we are not talking about the occurrence of "life" we are talking about the occurrence of intelligent self-aware life. There is a big difference between those two things by leaps and bounds. There may be bacteria sucking on thermal vents beneath the ice of Europa, but there are not people down there sucking on them and metabolizing sulfur.

From all that I have read from you so far you crave attention by trying to go against the grain with anything actually substantial. Have you ever heard the saying, "You mind is like a parachute, it works best when it is open." The self centered thought of thinking that all life in the "KNOWN" universe is based on life as it is here on earth is pretty narrow in vision. For all we know there is life that travels faster then the speed of light, lives in multiple states of matter(as we know them to be so far). Just try not to assume so much and approach things that we know so far with an open mind, you might find there are more things in this world to expand your mind with if you merely step through the door with an open mind and not a closed one.

Because everything on the internet is true... *facepalm*

I am not saying that i know there are things that can travel faster than the speed of light or live in multiple states of matter, but I am also not dismissing it just because it hasn't been discovered...

People used to think the world was flat and if you sailed in a direction long enough you would simply fall off... Boy were those people wrong in hind site... that is all that I am saying, don't put all of your eggs in one basket thinking that your going to get the golden egg.