EVE General Discussion

Welcome to the sarchasm, guy. You just fell in.

I understand your words, but when you take into account how people treat NBSI versus people not in their alliances, your words sadly fall short. Yes it should be that way, but it isn't. And those are the fault of the dweller. And yes, I do agree you should be able to make more money in null, and most people do! But the HOW you want to make money shouldn't necessarily transfer over to each sector of space evenly, and that's a problem. Or wait, should rats in highsec be worth the same as in null? No? Why not? Lemme guess, risk versus reward right? So highsec, which is based off of trading and manufacture, has less risk with ratting, so less reward, but ohohoh it just doesn't equate to "risk vs reward" as being the end all be all does it?

No it doesn't. And I typically think it's meant to be that way. Risk versus reward is way too open to interpretation and I think people focus on that very idea solely as to apply to everything. Because I can make more money ratting in null than mining in highsec. The only difference is, I need to pay attention and do things in null, in highsec, I can watch netflix. But still make less.

And yes, null should be a place where you have players making up rules. And they do. And those rules involve people getting blown up.

So yes, I can totally understand see your point how null has crap industry. But I also don't see where Null should have good industry, or why that would be Null's focus, because as you said, it's focused on capitals and pvp and politics and other stuff.

So for mining, sure, highsec might be the best game in town. For capitals, no it isn't. For pvp? Highly doubt that too. But mining and research and manufacturing? Sure, why not. I'd love to have an amusement park in my apartment complex but sadly, I need to go to Busch Gardens for that. They just sadly have better games and rides over there.

Bleh draft didn't save.

I've watched it multiple times, and that's not even remotely close to what empires in nullsec should be all about.

Unless, of course, you've got this deep-rooted wish for empires in nullsec to be the same as some hobos in special suits living in caves and riding giant worms on their way to the local dance, while the royalty needs a levitation device to haul them from one chickenbone to the next.


No. Less effort. And, of course, next to no risk. And when comparing industry in hisec vs nullsec, it does make more, especially in comparison to effort.


Because then people would feel an attachment to the space they inhabit, which they currently more or less do not.


Yes, that's precisely the point, but then someone comes along and says "hey wait a minute, I want more space, because we've grown" or "I'm going to kick over your sandcastle just because I feel like it". And, because the people who do live there does have an attachment to their space, they'll actually put up more than a token resistence.


You can lead a horse to water, you can't make him drink, I suppose.

Only if 'highsec' is its defined by disproportionate secondary economy superiority in relation to risk vs. reward.
Otherwise that is not his argument.

So he isn't saying that null should have industry like what highsec has? Very well then.

But you're still asking for something that isn't there by design. I'm not going to play pattycake with you since you are repeating yourself in different words since you just want to kneejerk answer small bits.

In short, null isn't meant for industry. Highsec is. Ergo, it won't make sense because it isn't meant to.

And yes, highsec mining has a better RATIO for risk vs reward, but not a higher output of isk. So while you can make 10m/hr mining doing jackshit, you can make twice that in null ratting without breaking a sweat. It does however cost you a few more button clicks. Boohoo. Welcome to the risk aspect.

If you haven't realized over the years that there is supposed to be a synergy between null and hs for industry and yields of minerals, I don't understand why you haven't clamored for multiple servers, which each sec having it's own.

Well, "should" is a matter of perspective. What aspect of null "should" be more desirable to move into it than highsec? The industry? Please.

Every aspect except for safety.

All of it from a potential profit perspective, offset by risk of loss and opportunity cost from maintaining and defending the space.