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Is this truly a Sand-Box game?
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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#1 - 2013-01-05 16:49:41 UTC
If I take the term 'Sand-Box' and apply it to EVE, it does not seem to fit.

A Sand-Box design should not have any goals, but yet this game does appear to have goals; specifically the creation of corporations, alliances, factional entities and unofficial coalitions, plus numerous social-political structures and hierarchies.

If this is not a sand-box, then why are there not more official structures and aspirational goals to attain singularly or collectively?

EVE seems to meander its definition.

Is it a sand-box or not?

AK



This space for rent.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#2 - 2013-01-05 16:52:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
It's as sandbox as possible, without the chaos a true sandbox can become.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-01-05 16:52:56 UTC
Those are player-made goals.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#4 - 2013-01-05 16:53:10 UTC  |  Edited by: IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Eve isn't literally a box of sand, short of that I'm not really sure what you want?

Edit: I'm pretty sure if you go to any sandbox IRL you will find player made goals and relationships.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-01-05 16:54:04 UTC
AlleyKat wrote:
If I take the term 'Sand-Box' and apply it to EVE, it does not seem to fit....

..............Is it a sand-box or not?



Nope, it's a gravel box full of dog shift. Lol

"bark bark bark bark"

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-01-05 16:54:23 UTC
The term sandbox cannot be applied literally since the adaptation and evolution of the word versus the game over the last decade has taken on different meanings.

Sandbox as a term, is used loosely since this is an open world mmo with various definitive rules. In short, it's using facts to shape around a theory.

People like to use literal terms to degenerate a meaning they hold while at the same time using assumptions to homogenize or waterdown their intent since gamers as a whole think they need to be desensitized to everything to be "cool".

Hope I didn't over explain, I'm bored at work =)

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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2013-01-05 16:55:11 UTC
AlleyKat wrote:
If I take the term 'Sand-Box' and apply it to EVE, it does not seem to fit.

A Sand-Box design should not have any goals, but yet this game does appear to have goals; specifically the creation of corporations, alliances, factional entities and unofficial coalitions, plus numerous social-political structures and hierarchies.

If this is not a sand-box, then why are there not more official structures and aspirational goals to attain singularly or collectively?

EVE seems to meander its definition.

Is it a sand-box or not?

AK




It is Sandbox in the way of : you build a castle and I jump on it

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-01-05 16:58:31 UTC
Didn't we already have enough of these threads ?

Why can't you people stop falling for the same old ****
made by different new idiots, every day ??
Dave Stark
#9 - 2013-01-05 17:00:36 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Didn't we already have enough of these threads ?

Why can't you people stop falling for the same old ****
made by different new idiots, every day ??


be nice, sol.
Felix Godfrey
TU 97.3.1
#10 - 2013-01-05 17:10:50 UTC
Mag's wrote:
It's as sandbox as possible, without the chaos a true sandbox can become.


Pretty much this.

I don't see how any gaming company in the near future could create a coherent game if they took the term sandbox literally--and by this I mean, space with appropriate mechanics and building blocks. Expecting order to arise and rest entirely upon players is impossible.

Otherwise CCP can add more content and complex progression systems into the game. This might eventually create an illusion where there are no real goals to strive for since so many combinations exist (even this depends on each individual being able to perceive them).
psycho freak
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-01-05 17:11:07 UTC
Its a

whine-box game

all anyone does is whine

my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k

nop cant find it
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-01-05 17:11:15 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Didn't we already have enough of these threads ?

Why can't you people stop falling for the same old ****
made by different new idiots, every day ??


be nice, sol.

Here you tell me to be nice,
there you like my post for stating the obvious truth:

We need to kill them and get rid of them !
Elvis Fett
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-01-05 17:12:30 UTC
Arguing over semantics is always a positive use of time.
Dave Stark
#14 - 2013-01-05 17:16:13 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Didn't we already have enough of these threads ?

Why can't you people stop falling for the same old ****
made by different new idiots, every day ??


be nice, sol.

Here you tell me to be nice,
there you like my post for stating the obvious truth:

We need to kill them and get rid of them !


please, kill them all. especially the miners. trit prices are horrible right now.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-01-05 17:21:17 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Didn't we already have enough of these threads ?

Why can't you people stop falling for the same old ****
made by different new idiots, every day ??


be nice, sol.

Here you tell me to be nice,
there you like my post for stating the obvious truth:

We need to kill them and get rid of them !


please, kill them all. especially the miners. trit prices are horrible right now.



Titans/supers need to become cheaper, once those are build miners gank fest will restart again, it's time to mine&stock !

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Dave Stark
#16 - 2013-01-05 17:31:13 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Didn't we already have enough of these threads ?

Why can't you people stop falling for the same old ****
made by different new idiots, every day ??


be nice, sol.

Here you tell me to be nice,
there you like my post for stating the obvious truth:

We need to kill them and get rid of them !


please, kill them all. especially the miners. trit prices are horrible right now.



Titans/supers need to become cheaper, once those are build miners gank fest will restart again, it's time to mine&stock !


i can't wait that long, my orca booster's account expires in less than a week!
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-01-05 17:34:51 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
i can't wait that long, my orca booster's account expires in less than a week!



You economics meanie !

You know they hate you, you know they're coming for you, watch your back ! (and keep mining)

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-01-05 17:39:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Dave stark wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Didn't we already have enough of these threads ?

Why can't you people stop falling for the same old ****
made by different new idiots, every day ??


be nice, sol.

Here you tell me to be nice,
there you like my post for stating the obvious truth:

We need to kill them and get rid of them !


please, kill them all. especially the miners. trit prices are horrible right now.

I know. Not my fault.

There are plenty of others who hate these economic terrorists as much as we do,
but all these geniuses who shoot miners don't manage to get together,
unless some greater entity (Hi goons o/) makes them band together for their own betterment.

I'm not willing to participate in their mindless hatred against a single target/playstyle.
I have my own mindless hatred against every other target. ^_^

TL;DR:
*shrugs* You know how i roll. Kill them yourself.
Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#19 - 2013-01-05 17:43:49 UTC
As long as Devs are in control of large alliances, constantly meddling, controlling, and whispering in other peoples ears...

EVE will never be the sandbox it advertises itself to be...
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-01-05 17:49:39 UTC
Well... there is a lot of sand here...

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
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