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Blockade Runners – now safe transporters or suicide ships?
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-12-04 20:46:42 UTC
KIller Wabbit wrote:
With anchored cans spammed on gate warp paths - suicide for sure



Anchoring cans at 12km from the gate to "easy" uncloak potential targets seems it's an offense, however DROP cans at 12km range of the gate is usual practice and in the gaming rules.

Simple: nothing changed, still gank buff. (salvage)

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#22 - 2012-12-04 20:52:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Jack Mayhem wrote:
Actually Crane looks pretty good for transporting valuable BPOs.


EHP: 43.3k (51.8k overheated)
Align time: 4.1s

[Crane, max tank]
Damage Control II
Local Hull Conversion Inertial Stabilizers I

EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

One typically doesn't tank a BR [if you are caught, you are dead], fits for agility and speed, and avoids signature expanding modules if possible (example: meta 4 istab has less bloom than t2). A MWD (active one cycle while cloaked) for getting out of bubbles is also desirable [all BR were specifically patched to be capable of fitting a 10MN].

I also recommend a passive EM resist amplifier instead of the active field, so you don't have as big of a resist-hole while cloaked.

Lastly, if you are transporting BPO, you would be better-off with T3 [covert + ignore bubble] or Covert Ops [harder to catch].
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#23 - 2012-12-04 21:13:09 UTC
Adriel Malakai wrote:
Terrorfrodo wrote:
So blockade runners are now unscannable by cargo scanners. But what will this mean? Will suicide gankers ignore those ships? Or will they rather blow up every Viator they see because they think there must be incredibly valuable stuff inside?

Please go forth and do some field tests, then report back here. In the name of science :)


I like to kill them because they make pretty explosions and only require one tornado.


True but considering they can fit a covops cloak and you can get undock immunity through insta undock bookmarks if you do get ganked in one in hi sec then you're doing it wrong.

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Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-12-04 21:20:27 UTC
Is this change even in yet? I didn't see it mentioned on the ship description.
Ginger Barbarella
#25 - 2012-12-04 21:22:30 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Most of those instalock alpha strikes won't come with you having those mods online.

Not to mention all the **** he added to make insta-locking even easier. Probably doesn't make a huge difference, but why help the guys who are trying to kill you?


This. Some folks should read the description of this stuff before fitting it. :)

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Etheoma
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-01-05 06:00:49 UTC
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like to kill them because they make pretty explosions and only require one tornado.


Actually if you get your skills up at all and fit for example 1 LSE and 2 SDA's you get 12.7k ehp on your lowest resist which is just more than enough to protect you from a perfect shot from a tornado. you'll be in structure but survive.

And considering I am empty half the time and the other half of the time I am only carrying 100 - 200 mill you can pop it but you will have to spend 140 mill+ to get a chance of all of that 100 - 250 mill dropping. The reason why I use the blocade runner is because you can move **** quickly even when auto piloting.

Which I only do on my way back when I am empty.
Mire Stoude
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-01-05 06:28:18 UTC
I still have large rigs on my viators. They can't be that easy to kill.
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#28 - 2013-01-05 07:03:15 UTC
This just makes them like real pinatas! You wont know what goodies they'll drop until they break apart in glorious explosion. All that changes is the tears to loot ratio. "B-b-b-but I wasn't carrying anything" podkills are the best podkills. If they say "Aha! I had nothing, NOTHING!!!!!" then you can point out that obviously they are still worth a wreck, a few mods and a green point for the killboard.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-01-05 07:31:26 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
They should have made DST unscannable instead, and buff their grid while at it...


Dead horse. CCP believes that it doesn't fit its role, a role which has been completely in the air since ever, but fits that of the blockade runner, whose role is clearly defined. A BR should never be locked in the first place.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#30 - 2013-01-05 07:44:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
The BR was already unscannable when it mattered.

Stupid change is stupid.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2013-01-05 08:07:25 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
KIller Wabbit wrote:
With anchored cans spammed on gate warp paths - suicide for sure



Anchoring cans at 12km from the gate to "easy" uncloak potential targets seems it's an offense, however DROP cans at 12km range of the gate is usual practice and in the gaming rules.

Simple: nothing changed, still gank buff. (salvage)

Doesn't prevent me from burning back to the gate. Blockade runners are generally fast enough to do this successfully whenever necessary.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2013-01-05 08:16:34 UTC
make it so DSTs can fit a micro jump drive that'd be rad
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#33 - 2013-01-05 08:46:41 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
make it so DSTs can fit a micro jump drive that'd be rad


Probably one of the better suggestions.

I think though that they go about it the wrong way with DSTs though. We have stealthy, sneaky transports, we have the big hueg transports and the ones that can jump. What we need....is a battle barge.

Either that or the poor DST can languish in it's grief and CCP releases Faction haulers. Mmmmm Sansha hauler. 100% bonus to small energy turrets ho!
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#34 - 2013-01-05 08:46:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Pahrdi
Terrorfrodo wrote:
So blockade runners are now unscannable by cargo scanners. But what will this mean? Will suicide gankers ignore those ships? Or will they rather blow up every Viator they see because they think there must be incredibly valuable stuff inside?

Please go forth and do some field tests, then report back here. In the name of science :)

In most situations: If you can actually see a BR for more than a second or two, the pilot is doing it wrong and deserves to loose it. Ofc, sometimes bad things just happen. It's still a stupid change in mechanics.

In about 18 months flying BRs, I got locked once. By a Tornado on Jita undock. That was the moment I decided to get me insta undocks for all major trade hubs. Thanks to the ganking crowd I'm actually safer now Smile.

Remove standings and insurance.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#35 - 2013-01-05 08:53:33 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
make it so DSTs can fit a micro jump drive that'd be rad
It would also be pointless.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-01-05 09:03:25 UTC
KIller Wabbit wrote:
With anchored cans spammed on gate warp paths - suicide for sure


And I (+ probably a lot of others as well) already figured how to make those cans useless. Cool
Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
#37 - 2013-01-05 09:32:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Celeste Taylor
I'm not fond of the change since I assume many of the other Viators out there have more valuable cargo than mine.

Terrorfrodo wrote:
Myself, I actually never transport really valuable stuff with my Viator, I use CovOps or Recons instead. Viator is for bulkier items with no great value if I have to go through low, null or w-space. But of course the gankers can't know that.


Are you safer flying in a Force Recon over a Blockade Runner? They don't have as many hit points and have a larger sig if I remember. I also think that the BR's align time is a bit better. I might do the training for Recon anyways since it is a short amount of training for me if the no scanning BR becomes an issue especially since I don't tend to do big hauls.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#38 - 2013-01-05 09:45:48 UTC
What a bunch of oddballs in this thread. No wonder you get ganked all the time.

Active tanking a Blockade Runner? LOL!

You should never be locked. Period.

The only tank you need is a shield extender. And that's only for those who dare leave high security space and might hit some smartbombs at a gate.

This is what you fit. Agility rigs, agility modules, and depending on the race, a nano. It doesn't matter, by the way, if you have a sig radius the size of a Titan. NO ONE WILL KNOW YOU'RE THERE UNTIL YOU'RE GONE! (If you don't fly it like a moron).

Mr Epeen Cool
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2013-01-05 10:33:14 UTC
I fill my free mid slots with ecm burst, frankly. There are others in my alliance who say to use multispecs but I don't really think BR can lock fast enough for those to be of any use.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
leoplusma
Delfus Inc.
#40 - 2013-01-05 10:34:35 UTC
well a properly fitted blockade runner, warps to next gate
by the time the fastest pilot has not yet finished his locking.

its funny, when i use my prorator to see how many
do try to lock me and fail because i am already in warp :)

so, to cut a long story short, a BR is "tanking" by its agility.
(and yes, a shield extender for lowsec smartbombs
is not a bad idea at all)

but how about the DST ?
are warp core stabs in the lows actually useful or no?
(its impressive what you can do by actually tanking
an impel, of course only against a ganker in highsec)

cheers

leo