EVE General Discussion

It's no mystery that Incarna is regarded as a failure and a step in the wrong direction by the majority of EVE players today. I was just reading the thread "I rejoined EVE because of Incarna, and now they're taking it away?!?" by Oriaita Lee and I was reading all the people bashing CQ and thinking how terrible it is that these people could so easily destroy something that they themselves need, that all the players need and that CCP needs. What I'm talking about is expanding this game to new audiences, meaning more players, more income for CCP, and thus enabling CCP to expand and in turn put more work into the game. So why do we need Captains Quarters and Incarna for EVE to expand? Simple, EVE is a niche market. We can keep insisting that CCP puts more time and money into the existing game structure but that won't generate a significant increase in players. There are only ever going to be a tiny portion of the worlds gamers who are going to be interested in playing the game at its current state. EVE is a hardcore game that is complex, daunting to get into and time consuming. In order to make a significant gain in players the audience for the game needs to be expanded, in order to expand the audience CCP needs to continue with Walking in stations. We need to remember that CCP is a business and businesses have to expand, they havn't been able to get a significant gain in eve players so they had to develop Dust 514 and World of Darkness. You say you want them to concentrate more on the core elements of the game, well at some point they are going to have to allocate resources to another game or WiS to get the increase in income they need. So we have to ask ourselves would we rather CCP work on Incarna which will benefit all aspects of EVE in the long run or do we wan't some cool new ships and features now that will only lead CCP to work on other games. If we don't open up eve to a wider audience another one of CCP's games will be sure to overtake EVE a few years down the road and that will mean not only Incarna, but EVE will be on the back burner.

"A lot of times, people don’t know what they want until you show it to them.” -Steve Jobs

Even though you might think that you don't want any more in station content, there is an opportunity for a whole new element of the game besides the arbitrary Captains Quarters. CQ is just a base for a compelling new aspect of the game that could be filled with excellent content that I'm sure many would come to enjoy. We haven't given this new aspect of the game a chance, we haven't even let CCP show us what they could really do with in station content. They made it through the initial challenge of building a new engine now all they have to do ifs fill it with content. We need to let them finish what they started.

Lots of people complain about how slow CCP is with developing new expansions. What they don't realize is that this takes money and if players wan't more expansions, and faster expansions CCP has to start making more money. Expanding the playerbase and micro transactions are two ways to do this. Now I agree that it is absurd to have NeX items cost as much as they do. If CCP were to add a significant amount of items for sale for only around 100-500 AUR, as well as made these items only available for purchase at the NeX and not sell-able in the normal market many people would actually wan't to buy from the NeX and all that money would go right to CCP enabling them to in turn give us more content and faster updates for EVE. This of course goes hand in hand with WiS as public spaces in stations would be a driving force behind the desire to spend money on clothes as the main reason people buy clothes is because they want other people to see them. For example it seems to me that people have a stronger attraction to items like the synthetic eyes simply because they know that other players are going to be able to see them. Shoes and Bottoms seem to go for significantly less on the market for the most part because they can't be seen by other players, can't be a status symbol, and can't serve any purpose other than passing amusement by the owner. The great part about this is that working on the in station environments and content would contribute to expanding the playerbase in the long term while increasing NeX sales in the short term. Both of these things would increase profits and would allow CCP to hire more people, and this only leads to one thing: better content, more content, faster.


Just because CCP got a little out of hand doesn't mean that they should take a 180 degree turn in development.

Surprisingly enough, I agree that CCP should continue with Incarna and vanity micro-transactions....




But not at the expense of FiS, which is where they were headed.

2nd. WiS has so much potential, we all love our Fish, but now that we have ship spinning back, and it's here to stay, I think that after the winter expansion adds more space content a few more sections of resources could be allocated to working on WiS, which will hit some apex if level that it can be taken too and by that time there will be new things to address back in space. Maybe CUP should do alternating expansions, Incarna gave us the system for CQ's, winter brings us back to balance with space, next expansion after that should be station based, then back to space after that.

Eve is a niche market.



and you're proposing that the future is to become like every other game (but inevitably worse due to funding and lack of experience)?

then when Eve becomes WoW in space, the WoW players will realize they would have more fun with the next expansion in wow than eve and leave.

then eve will be left with nothing because all the niche players left already.


If you want an example of Eve with incarna, and dumbed down for the masses, look at Star trek online. Not successful.

Eve doesn't NEED Incarna. 10 years ago the only thing CCP had developed was a board game, then they made Eve. Look at CCP now and how they have grown on the back of Eve alone. Realize that Eve never had WiS. In short Eve has grown and CCP as well WITHOUT WiS, which means as a company and a game they don't NEED or HAVE to have WiS.

I'm not against having WiS in game. However I don't think that its critical to Eves survival or CCPs. Also it should never take priority over FiS.

i agree with my fellow posters that the whole concept of incarna i sgood but should NOT be at the expense of FIS
I wwrote in a earlier post that we will have WIS but it will take longer to implement
Even a little bit each year wil lbe great aslong it stays optional and has a use ingame even just social use would be good

If you don't like it, don't buy it. Think of it like the optional extras when ou buy a car, you don't HAVE to buy the metallic paint, and buying the metallic paint doesn't improve the vehicle's performance.

In the same way that Eve doesn't HAVE to have MTs in it. The NeX store won't/doesn't increase the demand for Plex enough to warrant its existence. In the end what CCP is going to do is drive some players away who see Eve is a Sub based game with MTs, which is a major turn off for alot of players. With NeX being a utter failure and the fact that vanity items will not sell enough no matter what they do to warrant its existence. Once they realize this they WILL start looking for non vanity items to sell. Its been proven in other games as well its only a matter of time for Eve. Removing it completely will remove even the temptation of pushing it foward.

Lol.

Thank god that all the Incarna haters that don't see the need to evolve and try new things weren't around when CCP used to be a boardgame company.

"OMG this boardgame does not need spaceships or features that the players haven't asked for! I'm so going to totally burn it and you to the ground now."

If people join Eve just because it has full body avatars they won't stay around long either.