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NBSI Nullsec = Fail

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Diablo Ex
Nocturne Holdings
#1 - 2013-01-03 23:50:48 UTC
There is nothing at all wrong with the game mechanics, the problem in Nullsec is the way that Sov Holders govern. There would be more folks moving into Nullsec if the Sov Holders would simply set NRDS rules in their space. It worked before with great success, and there are many old veterans that remember that time. Just let neutrals come and go as long as they mind their own business. Not everybody wants to be enslaved to the narcissistic petty dictators who are currently in charge.

Diablo Ex Machina - "I'm not here to fix your problem"

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-01-03 23:54:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Sov holders govern based on the game mechanics and which policies are most effective under them.

The game mechanics make NRDS and in-house industry an unviable alliance platform, which is why all the old NRDS alliances (except CVA) are dead.

If this were not true, selection of the fittest would mean that NRDS alliances would be the rulers of 0.0.
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2013-01-03 23:55:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Cameron Cahill
NRDS does not work because nothing prevents me from rolling a 5 day cyno hero and blaping you while you rat there, like awoxing but with no effort. No one would live there due to the lack of protection while doing pve.

Also why should you or anyone else enjoy the benefit of our space when you did nothing to take it and do nothing to help defend it.
Steven Seaga1
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-01-03 23:58:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Steven Seaga1
Diablo Ex wrote:
There is nothing at all wrong with the game mechanics, the problem in Nullsec is the way that Sov Holders govern. There would be more folks moving into Nullsec if the Sov Holders would simply set NRDS rules in their space. It worked before with great success, and there are many old veterans that remember that time. Just let neutrals come and go as long as they mind their own business. Not everybody wants to be enslaved to the narcissistic petty dictators who are currently in charge.


So sorry but Provi is ass end of the universe and CVA just need to be put down... 0.0 was meant to be NBSI
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#5 - 2013-01-04 00:01:13 UTC
There is a reason why NBSI is the norm.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-01-04 00:03:39 UTC
No. It is because of the space bildenbergs.
Olleybear
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#7 - 2013-01-04 00:05:11 UTC
Diablo Ex wrote:
There would be more folks moving into Nullsec if the Sov Holders would simply set NRDS rules in their space.

Here is something you may not have thought of.

Lets say someone likes your NRDS space and decides they want your space for their own group. Their group can get safely into your space without a single shot fired because of NRDS. Their group will only open fire once they are setup to do the most damage as quickly as possible. Once they are established and shooting everything that moves in your space, your group is going to have a tougher time getting them out of your space.

NRDS policy gets the people following that policy killed. This is the same no matter if its Null or Low.

When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.

Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#8 - 2013-01-04 00:10:05 UTC
If it ain't blue, shoot it. Corpmates are green and fleet members are purple...

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2013-01-04 00:12:19 UTC
Corpies are green, allies are blue.
If he's orange, red or neutral,
He's here to kill you. :)
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#10 - 2013-01-04 00:19:45 UTC
There is a reason borders exist.

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Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-01-04 00:23:28 UTC
NRDS, only works if your space is such rubbish that nobody wants it to begin with. Example: CVA, had Providence for a long time till Dominion came along and made the anoms that spawned with upgraded space the same no mater the sec status. They then were promptly kicked out, untill CCP redid the anoms to follow sec status, and CVA retook Providence, because the space ceased to be "worth it" to hold onto.

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin

Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#12 - 2013-01-04 00:28:47 UTC
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
NRDS, only works if your space is such rubbish that nobody wants it to begin with. Example: CVA, had Providence for a long time till Dominion came along and made the anoms that spawned with upgraded space the same no mater the sec status. They then were promptly kicked out, untill CCP redid the anoms to follow sec status, and CVA retook Providence, because the space ceased to be "worth it" to hold onto.


Eh, IIRC the primary motivator for them getting booted from their space was them making some ******** political decisions. Everyone likes CVA holding space because it's a good way to keep your PVPers entertained.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Flair Tachyon
Toon Invasion Terror Squad
#13 - 2013-01-04 00:30:59 UTC
As others have pointed out letting neutrals come visit your space is a security risk. To keep your space safe enough you would have to keep people on patrol duty/standby to quickly respond to any transgressions. Since those people can´t effectivly do anything else in that time this costs ISK/fun in missed opputunitys.

The current game mechanics offer no benefits to a country with open borders/tourism friendly policies. You can´t tax neutrals in your space, so anyone coming by to go peacefully ratting blocks ratting space your people could use without contributing to the sovholder.

That would leave repairs/refining/docking taxes at open stations. Or whatever "trade" the visitors bring. Wich under current mechanics is not really much.


So in short; current mechanics make visitors pure risk without ballancing rewards
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-01-04 00:50:36 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Eh, IIRC the primary motivator for them getting booted from their space was them making some ******** political decisions. Everyone likes CVA holding space because it's a good way to keep your PVPers entertained.

-Liang

From what I remember, the bad political desisions would have been seen as CVA being terrible roleplaying scrubs, and maybe a little more roaming attention being paid to them. With Dominion poping up Havens and Sanctums in every system at the time, it suddenly became worth it to kick them out and use the space to farm anoms, rather than deal with a minor nuisance.

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin

Yusef Yeasef Yosef
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-01-04 01:07:25 UTC
Cameron Cahill wrote:
NRDS does not work because nothing prevents me from rolling a 5 day cyno hero and blaping you while you rat there, like awoxing but with no effort. No one would live there due to the lack of protection while doing pve.

Also why should you or anyone else enjoy the benefit of our space when you did nothing to take it and do nothing to help defend it.



Easy way to make NRDS the way to go would be to allow the Sov holder collect a 10-20% tax on all bounties claimed in the areas controlled by them regardless of who killed the rat. The more Neuts they have rattin in their space, the more income they get.

Bump Truck
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-01-04 01:14:54 UTC
Diablo Ex wrote:
There is nothing at all wrong with the game mechanics, the problem in Nullsec is the way that Sov Holders govern. There would be more folks moving into Nullsec if the Sov Holders would simply set NRDS rules in their space. It worked before with great success, and there are many old veterans that remember that time. Just let neutrals come and go as long as they mind their own business. Not everybody wants to be enslaved to the narcissistic petty dictators who are currently in charge.



NRDS makes money for you if there is some value in developing an industrial base in your space.

If you need traders, miners, manufacturers then NRDS would be great, if you could tax people to use your stations you could pay your PVP guys just to hang around policing everything, it would be amazing, continual PVP, loads of cool PVE industrial content, it would be great for the game.


Unfortunately anyone who makes an industrial base in null is mad and will be smashed by those who import from HighSec.

NRDS is just an unneccesary risk when the only thing in your space is ratting and super-cap production.


Fixing null industry will make NRDS viable again, now it's not.

If you would like to test this please feel free to take some space and open it up. I hear the south east is the place for that at the moment. Good luck.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2013-01-04 01:18:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
yeah come on down
NRDS'll float down here
everything floats down here...
Zack Korth
Livid CO.
#18 - 2013-01-04 01:55:12 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
No. It is because of the space bildenbergs.


miss-spelled but still one of the best posts i've ever seen in gd
Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#19 - 2013-01-04 01:57:02 UTC
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
From what I remember, the bad political desisions would have been seen as CVA being terrible roleplaying scrubs, and maybe a little more roaming attention being paid to them. With Dominion poping up Havens and Sanctums in every system at the time, it suddenly became worth it to kick them out and use the space to farm anoms, rather than deal with a minor nuisance.

You could not be more hilariously far from the truth...

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#20 - 2013-01-04 02:03:54 UTC
Diablo Ex wrote:
great success


You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

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