Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No. This is a horrible ******* idea and you should biomass yourself immediately out of shame for not being able to read or search. You sir are an idiot.

Additionally - the character bazaar is also a horrible tool that should never have been invented in the first place, and should be removed as soon as possible. EVE should not have ANY kind of way to purchase a character or SP.

I would like to take this time to guide you to the Character Bazaar, have fun. Otherwise, train up your skills, like the rest of us.

I dislike you and your idea, yet there is no button for this...so i'll just say it, here.

So basically in summary:

1) A lot of old timers yelling and screaming that "newbies can't understand / shouldn't comment on this," despite having an OBVIOUS conflict of interest for this change not happening.

2) Newer players pointing out that there's no real logical reason for skills to work like they do now, despite having an OBVIOUS conflict of interest in favor of having this change happen.

As far as I can tell, you are both right and wrong. I read though all of that and did not really see any particularly good reason why it would hurt the game. Nor did I see any particulatly good reason why it would HELP the game.

The old timers don't have any "right" to their skill points. They did not, in fact, enter into any sort of magical "contract" with CCP over such things. Show me the terms of service you agreed to that said they would never dramatically shift the game rules in a way that would violate your original expectations... Because if it's not in a legal contract that came along at the moment you handed your money over, then you've got nothing. Anything else is just a game rule that they decided way back when, and that you didn't ask for or give anything special for, and there's no good reason why they couldn't change it now in good conscience, if they saw some reason to. That wouldn't be a "violation" of anything.

Nor would it dramatically imbalance anything. All those people who have been around for years and years have also been training alts for years and years, and you can buy a character on the bazaar that is just about as powerful as anybody else in existence in the game, more or less, if you want to. And that means that with enough money, one person CAN do anything they feel like, over a large enough collection of old alts with various enough skills. If they were to allow people to buy skill points, they would probably cap it at a maximum that would not allow people to go to numbers that far outstrip those achieved by the bulk of the loyal player base over time (though even if they didn't... tough noogies. Plus, old timers could still buy points too, and they'd still have their same advantage in not having to pay for all of what they have already).

On the other hands, newbies don't really have any good arguments here either, that I can see. Why should you necessarily have the right to catch up to people who have been around forever? 1) The point of a game is not to be fair, necessarily. The point is to make money, and if skill advantages keep the loyal, paying customers around for 10 years, then maybe they're not such a bad idea for CCP? and 2) Even if you could buy skill points, newbies would still get their asses handed to them on a platter when they went out and flew in actual battles, not knowing what they're doing. Old timers will always have an advantage, one locked away in their brains in the form of experience, even if not in the game mechanics. So to some extent, you're just wishing for fairness that will never happen, even if you get what you want.

And neither way leads to any significant "grind" factor to worry about much. No matter which way it goes, the practical reality will remain: "casual no-pressure passive points? Or expensive, purchased abilities?"

So... I say everyone just knock it off. Who even cares? Or come up with some argument, SOMEBODY, that actually objectively makes sense and is not an extremely obvious thin disguise for something that benefits you?




Basically, the only real arguments that should hold any water here, in my opinion, are ones that make a well-reasoned case for why one way or the other will put more cash in CCP's wallets. And that's a tough argument with a lot of speculation in it, either way. Letting people buy things and creating free markets with micropayments clearly = high profits by looking at games of today. But would that counteract bitterness from Eve's existing, entrenched mainstays? And some games that sell toooo many shinies tend to lose track of good content after awhile, and can enter a downward spiral. Seems pretty damn hard to tell. And probably you'd have to be an accountant for CCP to really have all the facts you'd need to argue either case very well.

Why is this completely f---ed up thread still alive?

indeed, like how a less then 800k SP toon managed to ransom near 1bill+ from a jumpfreighter in Lowsec. he didnt need millions of SP just a little knoledge of what he was doing.

This already shows how little you know about the game.

Please try to understand what you're talking about before making suggestions like these.

NO. This is a VERY bad suggestion... possibly the worst i have seen on here.

Let me put myself in a n00bs shoes again.
Oh hello ive just started playing,
YAY Plex!!!!
YAY i can fly a titan.
OH NO I LOST A TITAN.

This would just end soo badly its unreal.

Real money for an in-game advantage is something CCP stated it will never implement.
Google Jita Riots if you want to see what would happen if they ever tried to implement your incredibly bad idea.
If you want microtransactions then go play Dust 514.

Well in that case ill just stop playing now....
This is another reason you cant do this. Priviliged little rich boys will have all the sp they want, where as normal people will still just have to crawl through the skill ques.

I just want to say that I doubt a player actually new to the game would get as far as being able to sit in their "new titan", because someone would probably scam it out from under them first.